Here it is - true black dragon: https://pp.vk.me/c628430/v628430373/d9e1/iXSgt6dCcU0.jpg
Лучше скинь это в последнюю новость)
А вдруг придет Мираш и начнет жаловаться, что я не туда пишу)
Если это случится, ты знаешь, что делать)
Что-то этот дракон совсем уж чёрный. То есть просто чёрный дракон из какой-нибудь фэнтези-вселенной, а не аватар Тьмы. В общем, скучный он. Всё же идея с ночным небом на крыльях хороша, просто не делать это небо сплошь оранжевым или фиолетовым.
Сразу видно, что с такими крыльями он стал брутальнее, но увы разработчики это смотреть не будут, а жаль.
I wonder how is it possible that fans are making much better models than these so called developers.
if you think that this fan version is a much better version you are mistaken yes it's a bit better but only a bit i still do not like the way it's body looked
Here is a version of the way a black dragon should look in terms of body and design
Well, Syvarock that what you posted is amazing dragon but seriously, after the mess with Spiderpolis, Sylvan skills etc. it is not gonna happen.
,,Spineless from the start, sucked into the part
circus comes to town, you play the lead clown
spreading his disease, living by his story
falling to your knees, suffer for his glory
Time for lust, time for lie
time to kiss your life goodbye
Send me money, send me green
Heaven you will meet
Make a contribution
and you'll get a better seat
Bow to Spider Messiah "
So true xD
Rare picture showing Erwan's true nature.
Is his final form
I wonder why our Lord and Saviour Erwan doesn't even have an account here... at least not officially. :p
My fav. wallpaper XD.
A good thing for a menu background XD
Oh! That picture, burn it with fire!
The more i look at them, the more i cry. This dragons are really ridiculous.
It is a beautiful siamese kitten with wings. What do you dislike?
На ощипанных куриц больше похожи. Только загорелых почему-то.
PLEASE fix the skill system, hero specialisation, creatures abilities, UI, town buildings etc ... oh wait you didn't even bother redesigning the butterfly dragon so many people have been telling you they hated from the start. Lol this is a joke, why do I ever bother posting feedback.
Because if you don't post it they claim fans are happy. And I mean FANS, not your regular customer who will play the game for two months then forget about it.
But this game seems to be designed for a 2 month gameplay. A big improvement over H6, which I didn't even spend a week playing.
Give them money, play, cry, try to forget it ever happened.
And wait for another game to buy "Work in progress" XD
Yeah we're "so happy" that's why there's so many comments in every comment section telling ubi how sh*t everything is. The only positive comments section I can remember is the reworked lich and vampire unit one. Because that's literally the only time they used our feedback to improve something. hahhah
Heroes 2, Heroes 3 and Heroes 4 had the best looking dragons. Heroes 5 was ok, Ubisoft should really look back and see how 3do did it. It was funny watching the new trailer. I was like "Thats a classic game( Heroes 1), thats even better ( Heroes 2), hell yeah ( Heroes 3), my favorite Heroes ( Heroes 4) this is awesome ( Heroes 5) ... and then there where Heroes 6, what happened? Now Heroes 7 ( Heroes 6.1 gold edition) if only I wasn't a big fan of Heroes, I would never buy this game.
I can't help it, I have to see for myself how good or bad it is. Oh and btw f*** Uplay. Uplay is a pice of s***, why not just work on steam? Is it just cus you want to be like EA? Have your own Origin?
Hmm i believe Uplay was earlier then origin.
They needed to compete against Steam and eachother. But still Steam is more succesfull then both. Even tho Origin gives away games for free. I have yet see Uplay do this.
The Cave Hydra looks great, love the fact that she's back to her legless form :D
The upgrade looks like a Forge unit though...
Well Dilory shouldn't be the only one looking futuristic:D
Ohh I can see the Dark Hydra's mechanical legs and chainsaw arms..!
Hehehe, Hydra has no arms silly :D
It's just that the blue lights and metallic glow make her look like taken from sci-fi to me
Its not only you don't worry, but it looks awesome and well made so we can look past that minor detail for hydra's, unlike in strider's case.
Hydra with mechanical chainsaw legs? WHY IS THIS NOT A THING!? IT NEEDS TO BE A THING!
There is one thing Ubi does perfectly - dividing the fanbase
Now aside from pro- and anti-Ashan we also have line-up and faction voters who love to blame one another for Ubi's faults xD it's so tragic that almost funny
And then they can make themselves the poor victims of never satisfied fans xD
Good job ^^
They make another game, so they have another fanbase.
Yep, Ubisoft is exceptional developer I've never seen before.
That post was to @Chiasa
I (and some others) was saying this back at the time of votings!
Chiasa, that's also why I say that this place is an ocean of food for trolls. ^^
thats not entriely ubis fault,
devs made it pretty much clear that they are "proud" with their butterfly dragon, and limbic was the one that acctualy responsable for dungeon expansion to h6. it was %100 certain that they would be using it again in h7 if the fan voted for dungeon.
they designed butterfly dragon.
they made him also a boss.
they even shaped lore to make it more legit, added it galaxy wings & breeding lurkers of from them.. they built everything upon that butterfly.
tl dr; ubi stated its attentions toward black dragon, although fans still voted for it in h7.
even freaking vote images were consisting signs of same butterfly dragon. you cant just blame ubi out of it... if you, the reader of my words, have a vote in dungeon pick, blame yourself too.
Indeed it is, only way is to adapt I guess xD
I don't if Limbic or Ubi is to blame in this case and don't care really, but it's Ubi that made up this world with it's retarded lore which has to determine every fucking detail of design and often even gameplay. Same was with Necro - fans say "we hate the green glow, spiders and fleshy venom drinking liches that transform to vampires" ubi responds: "but lore demands it hence it must be so"
As for Inferno/Dungeon voting, it would be the same if Inferno won - reused blobs and spikes everywhere despite how most people hate unbelievably H6 inferno with it's cheap design
*unbelievably cliché H6 Inferno
Well, stop there, Chiasa, for H6's Inferno was actually generally approved. It was even playable! ^^
As for Necro - the hate was towards the all-present toxic-green and the ever-present spider symbolism. While they actually spitted in spider-haters faces when they presented Spider as a unit, the color problem was solved.
As for the Necro lore - well, some liked it, some not.
Ok, that's really the first time I hear someone approved of H6 artistic direction with Inferno, so I might take that back :D
As for Necro - there still is spider, spider heroes, spider city and green glow so that wasn't really remedied imo
i approve artistic direction of h6 inferno, it had a brilliant idea of cthulhu inspired organic-metalic asymetric architecture/design. red color was overused and cerberus had only 2 heads, yeah tose are not cool thing but they were open to fix because it wasnt directly connected to artistic choices.
devils making return, pit fiend perfected with h6, succubus confirmed.. inferno was about get better and better.
The thing with Ubi is that they're trying to please everybody. For instance, they have this mentality that they are adding more female creatures (for the sake of adding more female creatures) to attract more female players (even though those two ideas are not directly proportional). Question: How will other fans react to the gender-bending? Will fans like equally represented yet senseless lineups? I say, pick a side and go with it. Which side creates least chaos. Same thing with old vs new fans.
In relation to my previous post, I would like to share them this saying:
"If you chase two rabbits, you will lose them both"
and they didnt possesed spikes with h6 inferno, it was the tormentor, only one single unit which was also open to discuss, only 1 time appeared and there were talks of efreeti as elite... without tormenter you got only horns, and horns are special to inferno. i dont see any problem with it...
@Chiasa: well, I really like H6's Inferno (it has flaws though - two-headed Cerberus for example) and the approach to it in DoC.
I agree, the Spider problem wasn't solved and actually just grown bigger, but copare the color palette of H6's Necro and H7's. A huge difference! It's the case of Dungeon as well.
Yet we don't know how line-ups would be constructed, surely ~3 reused creatures and some new ones. What would've it been? Would've the ideas been appreciated or hated? Chances are it would've been the same as with Dungeon. Some likeable creatures, some questionable design and something completely awful and out of place. My personal design preferences aside I doubt it would be any better than this.
Sandro400, please don't mix DoC with Heroes, it's not the same!
That being said, I really didn't like h6 Inferno at all, the only unit I liked was Pit Lord. And Succubus to some extent. The rest I see as Zergs and Blobs, not mentioning the Sado-Maniac or as you mentioned two-headed Cerberus. A shame for this faction. At least Medusa, Minotaur and Hydra are in with Dungeon. But why do we need to have this stupid Strider instead of Manticore, sigh.
Sandro, Yep the colour palette has improved greatly :D I like the new Dungeon one very much - dark, elegant and not overdone, only Assassin and Dragon look like someone put purple filter on them :3
Necro : Even the new vampire looks good :D
Galaad, DoC and Heroes are set in one universe - Ashan! And do not forget from where Sahaar Orcs, Justicars etc came. =)
Considering Inferno: I like it exactly for being "zergish" (it's even in their playstyle), fits them greatly. And, actually, it was a mix of classic demons (will you call Juggernauts "zergs"?), Lovecraftish horror etc. An unstoppable wave of Chaotic creatures, always different. Even Breeders are not all the same Blobs! =P
H6 Inferno burn in hell and throw out the ashes.
@Chiasa: yep, I agree with you, though even purple Dragons are "tuned down".
@Galaad: btw, you can call me simply "Sandro". ;)
Them being set in the same universe is the only thing they have in common.
I won't even start to argue about that, for their same setting allows me to mix them when we're talking about non-gameplay things.
You see that's interesting, I don't mind Ashan in DoC. Why? Because DoC is not Heroes.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying I like it. But it can be silly for all I care, it didn't usurp.
Oh lord, u golden oldies crack me up. Usurp Galaad? Really? If u can't even accept that Ubi created Ashan as a setting for their own franschise then why do you even hang around? Talk about fighting windmills. Nostalgia isnt a claim of ownership.
History lesson of the day:
HoMM was created by JVC with NWC. After 3DO, the publisher, got bankrupted, Ubi bought the rights.
It is not because they legally bought the rights that it is "their" franchise, from my point of view.
Its good u added "from your point of view", because in all other aspects thats exactly what legally buying a franschise means.
Analogically to buying patents - whatever you bought doesn't become your idea, you simply have rights to use it.
So in M&M case Ubi has rights to the franchise, trademarks etc, but it's not really their series like Assassin's Creed is
I never clamed it was theirs as in "they created it", but its theirs to do what they want with.
Cleglaw you are wrong. Limbic didn't make the dragon in h6, it was done by virtuos as they made the 50 shades of purple. Limbic only made the 2 dlc themselves, but hired chinese virtuos to do the actual expansion. And it was reasonable to assume limbic wouldn't use the crappy h6 model for dragon since it was universally hated + we didn't know when voting that limbic was gonna copy/paste most of the game from h6(that was only revealed later). Inferno would have been copy/pasted all the same...
Sadly enough is that a western company(Ubi) lacks imagination in recreating a western style game(western as in european).. How come koreans got a better understanding of what westerners like? I dream the day HoMM/MMH will be sold to a eastern company to be developed..
Lol if an Asian company get's the Heroes franchise i think they will make a moba out of it or an mmo lol.
Each time you show us a new lineup I'm like: "please don't try to make the game cheaper by recycling another H6 unit" and then you do so... I never complained about this so far, but ruining the unit that I loved most like this... It appears that in order to have great looking units (like vampire) we have to complain and over complain... Well I am COMPLAINING! Everyone who is dissatisfied by the dragon, please COMPLAIN with me! Use the money you have from NOT doing 3D towns!
Yes, please do complain, there is no way Ubisoft is gonna consider anything if we don't.
Don't forget about game mechanics though, because no matter how good a game can look, if the mechanics are poor, so the game will be.
Ohhh come on! This dragon again???.. The black dragon is WITHOUT a doubt one of the most iconic units in the game... please rework this.... PLEASE
As much as I agree with you, I'd rather they focus on game mechanics and bugs at this point.
It's pretty sad to see a good hydra and then you reuse the H6 models for the Black dragon...
Shadow dragon/Black dragon they are beautiful , majestic ,misterious , murky , wonderful and colossal :)
True but not these "Dragons". xD
Why we don't speaking polish?^^
Tak więc mogli by coś zmienić w wyglądzie Cienistego S. i całkiem przeprojektować Czarnego bo nie pasuje ani w H6 ani teraz:P
Wywalcie tego chudego szczura i dajcie nam prawdziwego smoka.
Chociaż tu wcale nie jest chudy to w grze jednak taki będzie, bo przecież to model z H6.
And which ones ?
Scrap H6 crap
gosh, devs, haven't you played king's bounty, there dragons have perfect wings, as well as models, ok, you took a copypaste model from H6, but you could spend some effort to change the wings at least, well, don't be surprised than reading a lot of angry comments again.
Haven : http://strawpoll.me/5175798
Academy : http://strawpoll.me/5176095
Necropolis : http://strawpoll.me/5173927
Stronghold : http://strawpoll.me/5175777
Sylvan : http://strawpoll.me/5173173
Dungeon : http://strawpoll.me/5172521
Inferno : http://strawpoll.me/5176453
Sanctuary : http://strawpoll.me/5174367
Thanks to Logical Dust and Mediczero for making these.
Do not forget: if you try to cheat, your motherboard will burn and unleash Australian spiders.
why are H5 druids grouped with the other 3 druids? I wanted to vote for them because of H5 but then I didn't want to vote for them because of the rest (especially H7). H5 druids are way above those other 3 Galaad just so you know.
I think someone cheated. There is no way Blood Furies could be that high.
@ Emo : Individual designs of units and their role / tier / abilities / gender may be subject of further voting once aproximate most favorite units are decided. Some outcome surely surprise me as well, but I have to say that I allign with most of it and some minor compromises are not a problem at all.
That's a great initiative! thanks for that!
I really wish the dev team would had done something like that, a long time ago, when decisions could still be made and things could have been changed... To bad they give us no real change to give a say about the game...
Ah, just a detail, wouldn't be better to split the versions of each unit? Like, I voted for Bladedancer, but for the bladedancer from H5, not this abomination we have on H7 so far...
I don't mean to be offensive but.. Does this voting affect in any way? Or does it change the result we have now?
I have to say, I find it interesting that for the majority of some of the factions, such as academy and haven and necro, that most of the creatures line-ups are quite similar to the of the line-up we have in H7. Though there are the major exceptions to that for some of the creatures, but I do find it interesting to say the least.
Well, many unpopular units could have been avoided. I am quite surprised that justicar and cabir are that low. But Strider, Lamasu, Spider, Wolf in heaven, Deer were sort of quite expected to be ruled out. And ubi can say whatever about who is most vocal and what is majority, look on results and check how well ashan units did.
I'm not surprised since Cabir are "new" and you didn't put justicars together with the swordsmen which they are clearly an evolution off.
Hydra is pure love; but dragon... why you insist in so bad designs? Why black dragon is not black and has orange "fairy-lights"? Why Shadow Dragon has their own fairy-lights? Why you destroy one of the most iconic creature of all Heroes games? Why.....?
Each passing day, it's more clear for me that, If this game is good, it will probably be thanks to modders, because they can fix horrible designs (and units), skill wheel, specialiations, magic schools...
I am so captivated by the beauty of these dragons, their terrifying presence, and that stare...those eyes...the sheer size of them...that I almost forgot to talk about Hydras. Apparently it is going to have some ability that allows it to inflict a negative effect on its target. I wonder what effects that will be. They look menacing imo, true champion material alongside the Dragons. It's going to be a tough choice...one or the other. Also, why not some more heads in the upgrade? :)
If you have nothing intelligent to say, I prefer you don't say anything at all.
@Marblethrone - Erwan, we know it's you.
@Qriqn: I don't like the idea behind that joke/statement. Basicall you're saying that, because I happen to like the models presented here, I'm automatically something along those lines? That's hardly nice of you to say....as if there are only two opinions here. Your opinion and the wrong opinion :P.
Because everybody that likes the new stuff is Erwan in disguise... *evil stare*
It's moments like these that make me afraid to post my opinion, knowing that there is a bunch of people out there ready to shoot down whatever I have to say. Come on, people. You don't like this? Your call. You don't have to buy this game, you don't have to play it, you don't even have to be here. I like what I see, I say that and support my claim wherever it is needed. This is only the opinion of an individual, what good does it do you to be so extremely mean?
Come on man, we're just fooling around here lol
It was just a joke, nothing more. Don't take it so seriously.
What a coincidence, marble likes something most people hate. Fanboys never fail!
Nice wallpaper, galaad, lolki.
I disagree. I find the dragons to look absolutely idiotic and It would be an easy choice in favour of Hydras if i had any thought of getting the game. Which i don't. Cause i disagree with the majority of design-decisions, visually and gameplay oriented.
But that doesn't make your opinion any less valid and it's quite fun hearing someone praise them. Do keep it up.
@Slumbrous; Hardly an achievement around here....
@Kiryu: A question one could ask about the Dragon: are those wings actually strong enough to support it in flight? But I like to think that these wings are merely a physical, material part of them, and that the shadow of their mother Malassa helps carrying them too. In fact, she is present in her children, through those eyes. To me they are Dragons true to their name, although I think that the names Shadow and Black are as vague as they have ever been.
Not big enough and the shape wouldn't be able to support any weight. Any references to "Malassa overseeing her children flying" is heavily advised against. That would just be silly. Bad silly.
and the glowing is taking it way too far. I'd prefer them scaly with minor carapace on select places rather than this weird tank-texture :/
If they re-use a model, people complain they lack originality...and demand something new...
If we get something new, people praise older versions/models and want them back...
I admit that Ubi makes some questionable decisions, but if the gameplay is solid, who the hell cares if the black dragon is golden?
Dungeon look great IMO (although some things could be better), so why complain?
Can't wait for 2nd beta, hopefully they fixed all bugs...
That's indeed problematic, they keep reusing the unpopular models, and when they come up with something new, is straight out weird shit lol
I wish gameplay was solid ...
"who the hell cares if the black dragon is golden" read your own words, the black dragon is actually golden, and a butterfly at the same time.
> if the gameplay is solid
Find it hard to imagine considering atrocious skill system design, 7 magic schools, lacking creature abilities and useless specializations xD
Gameplay is pretty solid, but what do I know, I'm a n00b and a heretic...
"this could imply severe impact on various aspect of the game (gamedesign, animations, campaigns, etc.)"
This could be reason, why we got Heroes 6 dragon models again.
@rodaff I know what I said, it's still mainly black, and has a good design...you guys are just picky...
Define "unpopular"...It's all a matter of taste in the end, but c'mon, think about your favourite Heroes game and take a look at the unit design there, can you truly say all are great?
If you're one of those "give me random skills" guy, then have fun leaving your hero customization to chance...
I actually like what they did with it, it's a bit rudimentary, but still better than the old ones (H5 is another great system, if it wasn't for the randomness as well).
>have fun leaving your hero customization to chance
It's not much of a strategy game if you can always choose what happens - being able to do with what you get is part of the charm. You can't select what kind of mines are close to your town, what neutrals surround it, if week of plague will happen when you least expect it, or what artifacts your enemy finds xD
And no offence but you sound like you didn't know how random system works - it's not like the skill you get is randomly chosen by the computer xD
But design without randomness in mind is only one of many problems with the skill system..