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KhanOfSlaughter The Conqueror
May 29, 2015 22:56:54

It's as if the devs have worked themselves into a corner. They probably had a vision of 7 unique and interesting schools of magic. But have then realised that heroes will only be able to access some of the magic schools. So in response have made sure that every magic school can offer attacks, buffs and debuffs, thus destroying uniqueness over the 7 schools of magic.

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GalaadleHaut The Hero
May 29, 2015 22:59:11

And all of this for the sake of balance, which will probably fail anyway.
siiiigh lol

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logical.dust 
May 29, 2015 23:06:50

7 schools had to be implemented because some creative writer of ashan world invented 7 magic schools and dragons and everything, which might be nice to read about but its quite a burden when designing skillsystem. Also 7 magic school system might be important in some other spinoff m&m game, but since world is the same ... it has to be the same even here whether it makes sence or not. But hey ... storywriting is simpler now!

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KhanOfSlaughter The Conqueror
May 29, 2015 23:11:10

@ logical dust,

That only increases the need of moving away from Ashan once and for all. This is the 3rd game based in Ashan. Enough.

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GalaadleHaut The Hero
May 29, 2015 23:14:23

@logical.dust

eeerr not sure I would call stuff like vampires are dudes who drank spider venom, turned into liches and then magically aged backwards to regrow all of their flesh simpler story telling lol

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logical.dust 
May 29, 2015 23:21:36

Well I cant agree more. I guess they didnt plan all the details beforehand, of course if they planed anything at all ...

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GalaadleHaut The Hero
May 29, 2015 23:24:58

oh sure, they planned everything aside doing a good game, lol

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Cleglaw The Councilor
May 30, 2015 04:52:03

wonderful comment khan, despite my h7 supporting comments, i really agree on your first post, it seems like in the middle of the way, the developement philosophy turned againts itself. magic schools should have been different from each other, but seems like, when they also calculated class system in, they decieded to give up from uniquness in the name of balance. im a bit dissapointed to see that devs doesnt get what balancing really means.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 30, 2015 05:58:08

Actually, I think many things were not planned at all and that's just the result of working on the go.

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LukaOo The Faithful
May 29, 2015 21:20:07

It's a pity but all magic schools don't look thought-out. Abilities and spells are scattered in levels somehow chaotic. Each next level does not look desirable to get a long-awaited abilities or spells. There are not any dependencies between abilities, this approach will not make the game more interesting. The creative and the idea is missing here. :(

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BigBadMother The Destroyer
May 29, 2015 22:04:18

yep - creativity looks different

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logical.dust 
May 29, 2015 22:54:37

Welcome to ashan.

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Ubi-Nox The Shadow Of Death
May 29, 2015 16:24:57

The list is complete for now :) (I did it! o/)

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Black_Weaver The Butcher
May 29, 2015 16:29:48

Thank you sir :)

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Mirash_ge The Dragon
May 29, 2015 16:31:46

Cheers, thanks !!

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Igelkolnikov The Ancient
May 29, 2015 16:35:30

Bravo :) though it would have been fun with something in line with the Behemonth shadow reveal, but for sylvan or dungeon. Just to have something to discuss over the weekend. Oh well, looking forward to the beta. Keep up the good work!

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DimaJeydar The Mad
May 29, 2015 16:45:47

Enjoy your rest while you can - soon we will want to see elves >:)

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Avonu_de_Odihs The Mysterious
May 29, 2015 17:09:40

We are still missing Necromancy and Bloodrage and of course both Elven faction skills.
Can we at least know more about Necropolis and Stronghold skills and warfare units in next week?

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EnergyW The Hack
May 29, 2015 17:49:53

Cheers.

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EnergyW The Hack
May 29, 2015 17:50:17

I have a feeling they may combine all warefare units and release them in a single article.

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Milets The Guardian
May 29, 2015 19:14:48

Thanks! Can't wait to ser what will be next! Hope for some sylvan/ dungeon info, or necro vampire/ lich new models.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 29, 2015 19:15:22

Haha, where is the Necromancy :P :)

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Stormhelico The Mysterious
May 29, 2015 22:15:00

Definetively, it wasn't necessary to have 7 magic schools. At the end, we can do, more or less, the same independently of the magic school we have. Each magic schoold doesn't have any type of specialiation, every magic school have buff,debuff,damaging... spells. Probably, the magic will be so boring as it was in H6 :/

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Stormhelico The Mysterious
May 29, 2015 22:15:08

I have always preferred magic heroes over might heroes; but this time, I don't feel "the magic" in these spells/abilities. The lack of specialiation in each school make me think that it "doesn't matter" what schools I choose, I can find many similar spells in each school.

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GalaadleHaut The Hero
May 29, 2015 22:17:12

OR we could have had 7 magic schools BUT made into 4 categories and tadaaa everyone happy. Such as random skills + free perks, but oh well, game designers obviously know better lol

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Stormhelico The Mysterious
May 29, 2015 22:24:26

@Galaad
Yes,that's another option.But I'd say I'm not so sure about that.4 categories for 7 schools mean that there will be categories with more than one school so it's probably tha some schools will be very similar to the others(like here[with the difference that here ALL schools are pretty similar])

My main problem is the lack of specialiation in each magic schools.In H4 and H5,each school have their own specialiation so it was very very different to play with one or with other.Diversity=Fun

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GalaadleHaut The Hero
May 29, 2015 22:31:37

oh I fully agree with you, just wanted to point out possibility to satisfy larger audience without having all old fans turning their back on them years after years lol

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Igelkolnikov The Ancient
May 29, 2015 22:33:26

Again, speak for yourself.

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Stormhelico The Mysterious
May 29, 2015 22:36:23

@Igelkolnikov
Sorry, I thought I could say my opinion explaining why I like it or dislike (in this case, dislike) :(

Well, It seems it is better to say: it is the best thing ever!

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GalaadleHaut The Hero
May 29, 2015 22:36:29

@trollshnikovich

the only reason to care about 7 magic schools is obviously lore which majority of people don't care about anyway lol
,
in terms of playstyle, it has been proven time and time again a lower amount of schools is better and random skills are just part of HOMM NDA, since it's in every title aside the 6th iteration which had such a huge success lol wow so many fan made maps, so many mods, so many multiplayer and online tournaments activity lmao

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Stormhelico The Mysterious
May 29, 2015 22:37:05

[ironic mode:off]

(I forgot it)

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Najakir The Kreegan
May 29, 2015 22:44:12

There can be any number of magic school... if one skill allow to learn them all.

But yes. Here, we will learn many magic school... just to get the very similar spells... :/

I miss the forcefield and quicksand :'(

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Najakir The Kreegan
May 29, 2015 22:47:52

But there is also good spells, especially in air, water and prime !

There is frenzy in fire, but this one... it doesn't make the unit to loose his turn, so it's not very usefull...

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GalaadleHaut The Hero
May 29, 2015 22:49:50

@Najakir

Sure these were fun, a word which seems unknown to some somehow lol

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Igelkolnikov The Ancient
May 29, 2015 22:49:55

Sorry Storm, didnt mean you. Meant Galaads statement that "all old fans turning their back on them".

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Stormhelico The Mysterious
May 29, 2015 22:53:18

@Najakir
That's why I say "it wasn't necessary...", because there are very similar spells in each magic school. And I don't say there are not good spells or... I know there are particular spells that are totally different to many others (and these, in particular, are very good); but these different spells are a minority :(

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GalaadleHaut The Hero
May 29, 2015 22:54:36

@lgel, lmao sure everybody is still here lol

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Stormhelico The Mysterious
May 29, 2015 22:55:40

@Igelkolnikov

No problem :)

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LukaOo The Faithful
May 29, 2015 23:06:48

Ubi try to go on about majority but in same time they are losing more than acquire because the game has a long story and lore. I see that they try to use old title to reduce the cost of advertising but now they are getting a hefty dose of anti publicity. It's very sad.

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Maverickk66 
June 01, 2015 21:55:19

2 June 2015
Hello Councillors its with great heatbreak that we have to announced yet again the continued delay of the Beta. Fixing these bugs created even more bugs. We just realized that the reason why we are getting all these bugs is due to fact that we copied and pasted too much of Heroes 6. We got enough people that pre-ordered that will allow us to scrap the entire project and start anew. Anticipated ship of Beta 2020 with a full release of 2030. Thank you for your money!

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DrakShudyz 
June 01, 2015 22:36:09

Funny, bud sadly true

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fopkovic1 The Chivalrous
June 01, 2015 22:39:29

I do not see the fun of it, it looks more like backstabbing. Anyway, I still have the opinion that Ubi-Nox and co have been honest although they did not bring the news we wanted to see/ hear.

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Maverickk66 
June 01, 2015 22:47:22

@fopkovic1
I'm sorry you feel that way and I respect your opinion.

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DrakShudyz 
June 01, 2015 23:01:37

I do not understand how Ubi can have fans. I'm french and I'm embarassed by them.
I have so much the feeling, that they make games only for money. No love, no trust, no envy, no desire. At least two AC in a year, full of bugs ; H6 so full of craps for fans (no townscreens, no ressources, bugs,bugs and even more bugs) and just after a good game H5 ; and DLC in all their games.
Sincerly, how can they have fans ?

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DrakShudyz 
June 01, 2015 23:05:19

They only have a good license, and they do what they want with it, and us, we can just wait, see and cry ! (and because of forum, we can yell a bit in the ear of a giant who is deaf of our groan)
And when to much people is obsessed, they say OK, let's ear them, but it's sound fake to me.

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RobvD84 The Mad
June 01, 2015 23:21:32

What does backstabbing has to do with this. This is just a joke. They haven't given us anything.
If we put money into something and those people would run away with it, that is backstabbing. Or if you put a knife in someones back, that is literally backstabbing.

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KhanOfSlaughter The Conqueror
June 02, 2015 01:17:01

"I do not see the fun of it, it looks more like backstabbing."

@ fopkovic1, I'm highly tempted to comment something that would make you look foolish, but you've done all the work for me.

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logical.dust 
June 02, 2015 07:02:50

Very funny comment indeed. :) I doubt however that they did get anticipated amout of money. I might be wrong, but if sales were doing good, they wouldnt be much afaid of anouncing beta delay sooner. I think they did it just to not hurt even more what already was not quite good. Only uninformed people, fans of H6 and total fanatics could preorder H7, which I dont think is much. There even was one pool which ended up 1:50 or something like that favoring "I will not preorder".

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TimPoging2 The Guardian
June 02, 2015 09:25:23

Oh, so sorry to hear... would you like more money?
Maybe you can craft some more goodies for us to buy?
Or other unrelated and expensive items? ;-)

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
June 02, 2015 10:59:32

As expected, any change in the code can result in any unexpected results. We are sorry and thank you for you patience. We will announce some news next week. Kindly.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 19:26:05

Mr. Ervan, why have you messed up with the fundamental Heroes DNA? You can expand on it, evolve it, but why change the fundaments that made this series so successful in the past?

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 19:27:39

Mr. UBI because Mr. Ervan is probably just a servant :)

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 19:35:52

If you want to create an entirely but similar game, then do it, but don't call it to be the best heroes game ever created :) The change to MMH is not enough because you still link it to Homm V, which is not right.

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logical.dust 
May 31, 2015 19:37:11

I guess its because they actually dont own all the rights ... they only own right to use name nothing else. Therefore even using same resources might be considered as copyright breach. It really doesnt give any sence whatsoever to change everything. Its definetly not to attract more people - new fans have no reason to care and old fans are pissed. Or they really are just that arrogant and want to do it their way no matter the people. Its not very probable, but who knows ...

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 19:37:28

The Sanctuary should have been included in Homm V along with some additional patches fixing some issues that were not solved by Ubisoft.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 19:42:47

Ubisoft actually own rights to do what they want with this game. H6 is a proof, which is a failure in contrast to H5. Still, H5 is Homm, where as H6 became MMH - they have enough rights to do anything - even modify the name of the series.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 19:45:32

H5 under Ubi was more alike to Homm, but then they decided to make it MMH with lots of bad changes. This only shows how many rights they have to do what they want....

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logical.dust 
May 31, 2015 19:51:05

They can do whatever they want aside of doing it the way it was done before by someone else. It would actually explain a lot why H7 copy so much stuff from H6 and not other games. Well its a theory. Real reason can be only provided by Erwan himself.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 19:54:44

Well, he is one of the one who created Ashan and H6. The other thing is also compatibility between those two games. So you are partly right. They probably couldn't bring the old universe back; they had to invent a new one. But that's it. If Homm V could have a good gameplay, why not H6 or H7? They can do whatever they want in this respect.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 20:01:45

And you know, what I have always cared the most about in this series is the gameplay, a mixture of both RPG elements and strategy game; not the lore or plot, which has always been actually quite balant to me, I mean, not very interesting or engaging - unless for some children.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 20:06:33

And we are in 2015. How can we even compare game from 1999 or 2006? We should be making progress like other companies do. UBI seems to stay, not move along. They can use a better engine, but they are not even the ones who created it? UBI stays in the same place whereas others move along. And this is so bad for Heroes games...

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logical.dust 
May 31, 2015 20:08:33

I really dont understand it either. But could be some contract thing as well. They will never tell the truth. Perhaps they truly believe that all those changes are good as they might have diferent gaming background and used to play other game types which ultimately leads to the fact that they try to turn homm to such games. I wonder what game is the 'chosen one' which they try to recreate. It definetly is not some older homm (if you dont count h6).

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 20:13:45

I've never played Warcraft, but as far as I know Erwan was quite influenced by it. So that may be it. But that's complely ridiculous to mix these two game, which are not new at all. Heroes has its own fundaments, just a Warcraft. Mixing the two is the worst thing that could happen to Homm. These games are too old for such things etc...

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 20:17:19

Maybe people like Erwan should work for Blizzard, not Ubisoft?

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Cleglaw The Councilor
May 31, 2015 20:17:32

they should drop the series because you only gonna support them if they repeat %99 same in every new game, and i will not buy something like that /: look that upvote counts lol. new title and freedom is better then hearing same old stuff for 15 years. whoever the head of ubisoft, please hear me, get rid of this abyssmal fanbase, create a new title of your own.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 20:25:38

@Cleg What I am saying is that they should evolve, actually add new things, as you say, not change the good things in the series that have been so successful in the past. You do not even get what I'm saying. Besides, why would we need the bad changes for? I would understand that changes would be good, would be an improvement over the past games. Such do exist; I'm not claiming the old games were perfect, but the new ones do not change anything for the better but for the worse in many respects.

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Igelkolnikov The Ancient
May 31, 2015 20:38:25

In retrospect Ubi should have made a H3 with modern graphics and left the Heroes series there. Then used the franchise for new innovative games like DoC and CoH. This fanbase cannot be pleased. You ask for innovation at the same time as you scream when things get changed. I look forward to H7 and wont let your constant negativity change that.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 20:45:53

@Igelkolnikov : No really, I told you they should not make game like in 1999 etc. H5 expanded and evolved on H3 and H6 or H7 should expand on H5. That being said. Good games should be improved, not changed (for the worse).

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LukaOo The Faithful
May 31, 2015 20:49:57

Сry from the heart

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LukaOo The Faithful
May 31, 2015 21:02:40

Maybe Erwan is haunted by the success of Warcraft. He is not so much under the influence of Warcraft game, he is influenced by the success of Warcraft

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Fr_BergV34 
May 31, 2015 21:12:47

A lot of shouting doesn't make sense.We see that there is in fact.

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Nelarth The Faithful
May 31, 2015 21:26:54

You say you want good changes and that this game evolves into something better (as many other fans); so the game is developed into a different way and looks promising -to some people.
I must agree with @logical.dust, @Cleglaw, and @Igelkolnikov. The fanbase in this game is just horrible, you people confuse even yourselves as you dont even know what you want anymore... You want changes but want the "good stuff" from older HoMM series back? That would keep the game stagnant.

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Fr_BergV34 
May 31, 2015 21:29:22

There are old games - masterpieces."Warcraft," "Morrowind", "H 3" . There are new games - crap. "Cataclysm - Wow", "Skyrim -Oblivion", "H 6" . Sadness ...

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Nelarth The Faithful
May 31, 2015 21:30:16

Besides, the devs already wrote some ideas on this. NOT EVERY PERSON CAN BE PLEASED. There are people who, like me, are looking forward to this game because it brings new stuff, changes. For this changes to be satisfactory you must accept them first with an open mind, not with a retrograde way of thinking.

The devs are not exempt from mistakes. They are still experimenting to bring new, cool things to the table, but you guys are just so picky nothing pleases you anymore...

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 21:34:01

@Siegfried_Adler: Can't you see that H7 evolves mostly on H6, which is a horrible thing? Can't you hear what we want? We want an improved and expanded H5. Your arguments are out of thin air. Read our comments again. Maybe you will understand. Talking to you seems like talking to a wall.

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Nelarth The Faithful
May 31, 2015 21:34:29

As much as it pains me, I seriously hope this franchise gets scrapped, then you all can go back to your "gul ol' times" with HoMM3 and 5, enjoy your mods and unbalanced systems.

Maybe then Ubi/Limbic might focus on making something new and exciting, without a crappy fanbase.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 21:35:57

@Siegfried_Adler: You are just a newbie, average player. What is your rank in H3 or H5?

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 21:43:54

Some new changes are game breaking, nothing innovative or outstanding, either. So I don't really know what you are talking about? How can a game based on the most hated H6 is new or innovative? It's the same old stuff from 2012 that was hated by many new and old fans.

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Nelarth The Faithful
May 31, 2015 21:47:04

I completed most of the campaigns in H3, including Heroes Chronicles; played H4 for a while but didn't like it; H5 completed with all the expansions and I'm currently making my way through H6 Final Campaigns with Anton, Irina and Sandor next.

If you think that's not enough to validate my previous comments, so be it, but I already posted my thoughts on this debate and will not back down.

I can tell you with all certainty that H3 and H5, as good as they were, they were not perfect.

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GalaadleHaut The Hero
May 31, 2015 21:47:26

I'm getting tired of this fallacy saying we want the same game over and over again. This is simply not true. We all want the series to move forward. Problem is, if Ubi wants to move the series forward, they need to have a good understanding of the series before doing so. If you want something to evolve but you don't know the basis, you are doomed to fail.

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GalaadleHaut The Hero
May 31, 2015 21:49:22

As for Heroes 7 being the "best of", were is the spell system from Heroes 4? Probably the best one of the whole brand.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 21:50:25

Did I say they were perfect? I just said they need to be improved and expanded, not changed like in H6, which completely ignored h3/h5 etc.

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Igelkolnikov The Ancient
May 31, 2015 21:54:59

Its not based on H6, thats a lie. Yes, many grafical assets are reused due to budget constraints, but in gameplay lots of things have changed. And screaming and complaining wont give Limbic more money. Involving fans in the creation of H7 was a mistake.

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GalaadleHaut The Hero
May 31, 2015 21:56:03

Besides, aren't WoG/ERA or H5.5 alive proof we want evolution too?

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Nelarth The Faithful
May 31, 2015 21:58:37

You didn't say they were perfect, ok, but you are taking them as a basis to measure "how good" are the newest titles (H6 and H7).

H3 had a very good strategy mechanics in the campaign map: resources, ways to improve your stats, gates and garrisons, etc. But in the battle maps it was pretty mediocre and unbalanced: bad AI, lots of useless/overpowered spells (forcefield camping), some units were just incredibly tough (high elves stacks, black dragons, rust dragons, etc.)

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 21:58:51

@Igelkolnikov: The skill system also evolved and changed on the basis of H6, not H5, H4, or H3. Give me a proof to deny it - if you can.

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Nelarth The Faithful
May 31, 2015 22:02:50

What I'm trying to say here is that H3 probably added new things that were used as basis later on, as in H5, for example. H5 removed some of the stuff of H3 and added, again, new changes to the series and experimented once again in the expansions,for example: runes system, necromancy ability, etc. It failed in some but is remembered as one of the best. Why? When it was released it received a lot of heavy criticism (toon-like characters being the most obvious complaint).

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 22:03:14

H3 was very good back then. Let's focus on flaws of H5, H6 and H7. Why do you get back to so old games that need improvement? So many years have past that you should never even compare this game to new ones. But why do you do it? Isn't it because those games were so good and the new ones are still so flawed; they lack some spirit or what? :P

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Nelarth The Faithful
May 31, 2015 22:08:14

Why are you so bent on not accepting H6 as a good basis for something new? H7 will improve on it, sure, but it will also add features from H3 and H5...

It is obvious you cant have a complete port. The idea is to make H7 not H3-2, I dont know much about the copyright issues and limitations Ubi might have, but even if they didn't have any they MUST create new things.

Finally, one of the problems I see is that many fans have an erroneous, idealized idea of H3, strengthened by nostalgia.

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Igelkolnikov The Ancient
May 31, 2015 22:08:23

The skill system borrowed fixed skillsets for classes from H6, but very influenced by MMX. Besides restrictions based on class, its exactly like skills in H3 but with perks like in H5, although not crossprerequesit ones. There are more spelschools , like in old might and magic games, and less spells per school. But as stated, H3 and H4 had many unbalanced spells and spells that werent really useful. For a limited budget useful spells should have priority. H7 is in total far from H6.

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GalaadleHaut The Hero
May 31, 2015 22:08:37

@Siegfried_Adler

No offense but it seems you don't understand Heroes 3. Not going to argue in here anymore, but when a game that old still has online competitive multiplayer activity via ToH and such 14 years later, it clearly means the battle system -as well as the game- is far from being "mediocre".

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 22:11:30

If a company makes any progress, you would never compare a game negatively. You would see only positive things. For instance, take the Witcher 3. Just compare the Witcher 1 (2007) to Witcher 3 (2015) to see what enormous progress they have made. This is when you can say "they learn on their mistakes".

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GalaadleHaut The Hero
May 31, 2015 22:12:25

@lgelkonikov

The skill system of Heroes 7 is non-random in its core. Now please remind me, which other game has that in common? And don't come and tell me there is the random option, when Xavier Penin says it is similar to Heroes 5, it clearly shows how ignorant he is of the skilwheel from TotE. And MMX is RPG, it doesn't have much to do with HOMM in terms of gameplay.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 22:19:50

@Galaad: And this is just one aspect... initiative, skill, random, spell systems are almost all a like to H6. Creature abilities are few, spells and factions abilites alike or similar etc.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 22:21:37

Not to mentions graphics, models or icons because that is what I could actually live with.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 22:27:14

ToE alternative upgrades were so huge that how can any new game even exist without it?

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Igelkolnikov The Ancient
May 31, 2015 22:45:43

Yes its non random-isch at its core, thats what i said. Its not completly fixed either though. The randomness option removes the problem of H6 when all heroes ended up the same. Spells are nothing like H6, since its back to beeing just spells. Not skills. And mage guilds are back to. And creature abilities in H6 were NOT few, there were to many abilities. H7 are more in line with H3 and H5 in that aspect. Alternate upgrades came in the second expansion of H5. H7 is still vanilla, not compareble.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 22:50:46

Not really, H5 has more abilites than H7 including active ones. Spells can be different; not better or even equal. I would like to see something better or at least equal etc.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 31, 2015 22:51:48

A few are good, but that's it. Some are wasted or repeated.

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Mirash_ge The Dragon
May 31, 2015 23:03:13

Gala , merenefere ,H 6 - completely different game.Dynastic weapons give a lot of tactics and strategy, the super spell.Heroes -6 big mistake program.
She doesn't seem to "Heroes", I agree.
But the game "Heroes 7" are not like "6" .
Only the absence of random skills , control of the mine.
7 Heroes - a hybrid

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Mirash_ge The Dragon
May 31, 2015 23:09:06

from 6 they took have not the best, unfortunately (
короч взяли они не самое лучшее от 6 , гугл задолбал .

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LukaOo The Faithful
May 31, 2015 23:32:12

I assume It is not so important if Heroes 7 be different from Heroes 6 or not. The key moment is why can't devs include good stuff from previous versions? Although they claimed they take the best of everything from previous Heroes. Does anyone think that idea of governor was the best in Homm IV, for example? Can anybody say what the best stuff they took from previous parts? Not from MMX namely from Homm and H6.

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Mirash_ge The Dragon
May 31, 2015 23:41:18

Luka I agree with you .
The main thing - the company has ignored the wishes of fans and did exactly the opposite. As luck would have.
\Even I was upset.\

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RobvD84 The Mad
June 01, 2015 00:31:36

I guess you guys (igel and siegfried) have missed the article on a gaming news site where Ubisoft blamed us, the fans, of not beeing able to really create a "new" game. Saying that we are to conservative. But that is not true at all, we just want the core mechanics to be improved upon (bacause those were what made the Heroes games "good"). But yeah i can go on and on, about all of this, but they have been said too many times already. And this flooding crap doesn't help either.

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RobvD84 The Mad
June 01, 2015 00:40:20

Here the article, this still piss me off sometimes. http://www.pcgamesn.com/heroes-of-might-magic-vii/heroes-of-might-magic-7-is-a-slave-to-its-conservative-fans

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Nelarth The Faithful
June 01, 2015 02:52:42

@RobvD84 To be honest I didn't know about this article. Let me be clear: I understand your anger, to a certain degree, it's true that Limbic so far hasn't implemented a lot of the "good"/"succesful" features from previous Heroes games but I can also undertand their frustration as a videogame design student.

I'm sure a lot of new people interested in the series here, as well as some more unbiased people, have noticed that the conservative issue here is a big problem, seriously.

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Nelarth The Faithful
June 01, 2015 03:05:20

I also agree that they should improve on those good features to make a good game and tbh, I also don't trust 100% the fact that they are trying to implement new things. As I've posted somewhere else: sure, H6 wasn't so bad but it did left me with a bad aftertaste with all that was wrong in that title.

Innovation comes with a great risk. I understand that after what happened with H6 most fans wouldn't trust the devs anymore. However, take a rest someday and see things from their perspective too.

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KhanOfSlaughter The Conqueror
June 01, 2015 03:39:12

@ merenefere1282,

I think it's important to establish that you want to see an evolution from all previous heroes games, not just H3 and H5. After all, what does H3 have that H5 or any other heroes game doesn't have?

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
June 01, 2015 05:20:06

Mirash. I agree it's not H6. It is partly based on it to create a hybrid. But the most important thing is how it feels to play it - the gameplay.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
June 01, 2015 05:26:02

@KhanOfSlaughter: Yes, but Heroes ended with Homm V and ToE. ToE is an example of what I mean by evolution. Ubisoft just abondoned the game and have not fixed a few issues. .

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
June 01, 2015 05:32:37

Mirash. It can be a completely new game, but so what if it's a bad quality or boring game? If it's a boring game I will compare it to H6, which was boring etc., especially because these games are linked together by trademark, name, conept etc.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
June 01, 2015 05:35:37

LukaOo and Mirash know what they are talking about :)

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
June 01, 2015 05:36:49

@RobvD84: You nailed it.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
June 01, 2015 05:52:28

@Siegfried_Adler: They (who are they, UBI or devs?) have much more simpler task to do than any other who creates a completely new game. They have most of the rules and trademark ready thanks to previous titles, yet they are still able to mess it up.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
June 01, 2015 06:14:31

@Igelkolnikov: I would argue about H7 spells being so balanced or useful, though it is still "work in progress".

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GalaadleHaut The Hero
June 01, 2015 09:47:42

@Siegfried_Adler

Ubi bought the rights of a franchise having a HUGE fanbase. They chose to dismiss this fanbase, first by violating the IP then by changing core mechanics. Again, I am not against new, but if new is downright retarded I don't see why I should accept it. On top of it they lie like madness saying h7 is a "best of".
,
So please stop with your "conservatism is a big issue" when you are standing for poor lifespan, laughable strategies and visuals, straight-out absurd lore and so on.

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Mirash_ge The Dragon
June 01, 2015 11:02:14

@Siegfried_Adler
Well I, for one, is not a conservative, and I don't care about the H1-4 ,and plot of the game .
Game do against the wishes of the fans.I do not see in the game is nothing, absolutely nothing new.
Perhaps the company is afraid that will be a failure .but then why did not she takes the best from previous games?

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Mirash_ge The Dragon
June 01, 2015 11:05:27

If you are afraid to take risks, why do not you listen to the majority of fans in the "heroic Internet resources" ?

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Mirash_ge The Dragon
June 01, 2015 11:10:28

and generally on models of heroes cries psychoanalyst ))

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Mirash_ge The Dragon
June 01, 2015 11:22:44

The heroes 6 model and and the story of the campaign on the brink of madness ))

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
June 01, 2015 11:58:36

And guys, I also believe they have had rights to continue the old universe, but they wanted to created a new one - Ashan.
"Dansky and Le Breton have stated that they chose not to adapt Axeoth as a setting because they considered the continuity of the Might and Magic games vague and overly-detailed, and were eager to discontinue the science-fiction undertone in favor of a pure fantasy setting."

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RRick_CZ The Triumphant
June 01, 2015 12:51:43

The recipe of success - don´t change the core features, build upon them.

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RobvD84 The Mad
June 01, 2015 14:07:27

Yeah you can say the same with The Settlers franchise. After the 5th one it actually gone downhill. It never was as fun as 1-4. Especially since they removed the towers that made your territory grow. Instead you got area of control shit. I've never played the older Settlers games for 1 session. And now we are going to get a settlers game that is even more strange with "heroes".... And the whole battle system is removed because some ppl whined about it.
I just want them to go back to old system.

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RobvD84 The Mad
June 01, 2015 14:09:02

I meant "i never played the "newer" Settlers game more then 1 session". I have played Settlers 2 so much, can't say that of Settlers 5-7.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
June 01, 2015 14:30:34

Interesting that Ubi also has got the rights to The Setlers series and messed it up, too. Though, I only used to play The Setlers 1 on Commodore Amiga 500 years ago :)

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broui The Ancient
June 01, 2015 14:54:46

"And guys, I also believe they have had rights to continue the old universe, but they wanted to created a new one - Ashan."

The planet Enroth was destroyed between H3 and H4. This was 3DO, not Mr. Ervan or Ubisoft.

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EnergyW The Hack
June 01, 2015 14:56:26

It is still no reason why they can't go to Axeoth. Your point is...?

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
June 01, 2015 15:01:55

Axeoth, not Enrot.

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RobvD84 The Mad
June 01, 2015 16:17:17

Ahhh commadore and amiga, that brings back memories from when i was a kid.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 29, 2015 20:01:39

What do we need so many spells and magic schools if some of them have the same spell effect? What is the point? Same boring strategy for each hero/factions? Why so much potential has been wasted? Lack of inovation, time or what?

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 29, 2015 20:03:26

You have had six game to analyse as an example. Just think about all the wasted potential. I am more and more convinced you just wanted to make a quick game - a little bit of copy and paste - a little bit of mixture - two years and people will get it, ech.

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Cleglaw The Councilor
May 30, 2015 04:55:03

acctually agreed with you this time, many magi schools should mean many different spells workng many different ways.
and i dont get why devs choose to go with easy way to balance factions/heroes. they coul have been balacing them without making them very similair.

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Cubicar_2486 
June 02, 2015 08:05:11

lack of understanding of reasons of Heroes success

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storm_sword 
May 29, 2015 20:45:34

These few different things just reveal the true lack of understanding of the genre and the series within the developers. They can't produce a good skill system, they can't produce a good magic system or invent any original spells, they prefer the graphics and images over the game play, they strip all the legacy creatures from their trademark abilities, etc...

Please developers play more of rpg and strategy games. Not just new ones. And not just on pc. Play classic rpg games like mtg or...

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 29, 2015 20:47:50

Well, the graphics and images are a lot easier to create and sell than real inovative system or AI.

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storm_sword 
May 29, 2015 20:48:34

dungeons and dragons. Play Ultima. Any Ultima is 10^10 times better than this one I can bet my life on that. Try board games, civilization, even fuckin c&c. This new Heroes seems to be all out adventure game for people who can't play any games with any sort of difficulty.

You seem to degenerate the series of all it's trademark good things, which have made it so good, one by one.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 29, 2015 20:51:28

A game for novices, newbies, and very young ones?

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GalaadleHaut The Hero
May 29, 2015 21:02:07

graphics aren't even that good, and town screens are horrible.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 29, 2015 21:04:00

It's average; a questionable thing, but the least important, to my mind.

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RobvD84 The Mad
May 29, 2015 21:11:07

Actually i have been thinking lately that i am a good new rts like the old C&C games. There hasn't been really a good 1 for years (except maybe for SC2).

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GalaadleHaut The Hero
May 29, 2015 21:12:25

Immersion is important, but who wants to dive into poor game mechanics indeed.

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RobvD84 The Mad
May 29, 2015 21:12:30

Sigh... I meant "no new good rts games" instead of "i am a good new rts" lol.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 29, 2015 21:14:38

Actually, everything is important, but there are much more important things than others.

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GalaadleHaut The Hero
May 29, 2015 21:17:22

@merenefere

To me, immersion is just as important, but that is just me. I will agree in general the fan base cares much more about gameplay, that's beyond doubt.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 29, 2015 21:21:39

Well, some things are equally important, but who is actually going to provide it? I know games I am happy about, so... maybe one day this will happen to Heroes?

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Mirash_ge The Dragon
May 29, 2015 23:32:46

I still want the balance in multiplayer, and I want beautiful necromancers, want, want, want .....I want a lot of things ...

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Cleglaw The Councilor
May 30, 2015 04:40:57

1- theres a good skill system in h7, which is not just a stand alone skill system but a skill/class system. you are just dont want to see something different and thats a problem of yours not h7's.

2-magic system was looking good until this article where it reveals some very similair spells, devs need to rework few of them to work uniquely and thats all. other then that, this spell system will be the best one in series, i bet on it. but yeah you dont want to see diff.. ah i already said didnt i?

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Cleglaw The Councilor
May 30, 2015 04:44:18

3- my 15 years of gamming life are filled with rpg & strategy games, and i support most of the developement decisions going on with h7. i dont understand how you even make a clam like this.

4-removing mass but adding area, which acctually involves tactics, making game for noobs? what a flawed logic, hahah. really lol.
stop suporting this blind guys, people. they cant comment healthy on h7. obviously trapped in nostalgia too much.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 30, 2015 06:14:22

Cleg: I can't say more details untill I actually play and test it. Even though, I can already see a few flaws, lots of remarks will come out in the wash.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 30, 2015 06:17:43

I have nothing against area spells; I also agree that this game has some interesting ideas e.g. adventure map, battlefields etc. etc. It's just we are here to spot flaws to make it better. Blindness won't make the game better.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 30, 2015 06:28:33

By blindness I mean the inability to see the flaws :)

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GarionRahl The Magical
May 30, 2015 12:01:22

Sympa les sorts de l'eau. Les effets de la méta-magie semble sympathiques aussi :-)

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Ubi-Nox The Shadow Of Death
June 01, 2015 20:18:59

Hello Councillors, the team has worked all over the weekend and made some great progress on the beta build. We unfortunately can’t announce anything at the moment but we will come back to you tomorrow with more information :) Sorry again for the wait, stay tuned!

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m4ciej12222 The Dark
June 01, 2015 20:19:55

Good to know!

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ptrsc The Ancient
June 01, 2015 20:21:44

Ah, okay, my bad:)

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Lord-Khanival 
June 01, 2015 20:22:25

"Blaaah!"

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RRick_CZ The Triumphant
June 01, 2015 20:24:22

Good to see you didn´t forget us :)

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Bongowomabt The Furious
June 01, 2015 20:38:00

thank but yet again as a paying couster im even more close to getting refund

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Cleglaw The Councilor
June 01, 2015 21:40:07

im seriously exhausted and bored by the long delay of beta, and im still angry that my holyday passed without h7.
just wanted to share my feelings.

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Maverickk66 
June 01, 2015 21:47:20

This is getting ridiculous.

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DrakShudyz 
June 01, 2015 22:45:21

Just want to know : an other week for delay or less maybe ? And please, don't say more anymore !

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broui The Ancient
June 02, 2015 00:38:43

Thanks Nox.

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Miks_ya The Ancient
June 01, 2015 13:01:42

Тетенька Юбисофт, тетенька Юбисофт, а Бэтси выйдет? Нет, она наказана, у нее задержка...;-)

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Kayfenok The Faithful
June 01, 2015 13:14:19

может когда у тетеньки юбисофт случится выкидыш Бэтси выйдет

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Dampir88 
June 01, 2015 13:15:19

с 10 утра страницу обновляю(

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Arantir2013 
June 01, 2015 13:16:47

Dampir88
МБ вечером будет

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Miks_ya The Ancient
June 01, 2015 13:34:20

Да не будет сегодня ничего) успокойтесь и расслабьтесь)

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L0rd_XEEN The Mad
June 01, 2015 13:41:38

Успокойтесь=) Они новости пилят только либо в семь часов, либо в восемь, но иногда в пять могут=)

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DerekDreik2015 The Dark
May 31, 2015 10:45:27

Стишок пр Бетси.

Не плати за блогосклонность Бетси златом
Не позорь ее такой ценой
Лучше сквозь невзгоды и ненастья
Укради ее ночной порой.

Пусть плывет к свободе ваша шлюпка
Весело качаясь на волнах
И французы прозевашие пропажу
Вдруг увидят благородный черный флаг.

Не смотри что Бетси не казиста
Что не страстна Бетси и глупа
Ты плывеш на шлюпке в море чистом
А стобой сидит твоя мечта!!!:))

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Mirash_ge The Dragon
May 31, 2015 10:57:25

а пираты - эт зло , вот

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Mirash_ge The Dragon
May 31, 2015 11:41:47

нафлудили за год тут , и спокойно пиратку скачали все потом )))

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 29, 2015 18:53:45

Now look at this and tell me what is the point of those two classes according to this website?

Ebon Knight - Necromancy, Offense, Dark Magic
Necromancer - Necromancy, Dark Magic, Offense

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 29, 2015 18:55:16

They are almost the same, maybe some minor skills will be different?

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mammothhunter3 
May 29, 2015 18:58:03

Looking from a slightly different standpoint, sorry: Ebon knight is a might class that has access to dark magic master and grand. Necromancer is a magic class that has access to perfect offfense.

What is the purpose of classes in H7 is another story.

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Marblethrone The Chivalrous
May 29, 2015 18:58:58

Might probably won't be able to delve deep into the Magic pool and vice versa. That is probably the biggest difference.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 29, 2015 18:59:33

Maybe that makes more sense, but... I would need to test what's the real difference.

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Kimarous The Magnificient
May 29, 2015 19:02:57

One is a dark wizard, the other is Sauron with a battle axe. :P

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Thranduilll The Mysterious
May 29, 2015 19:03:02

Hey Ubi-Nox, can you explain this one?

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 29, 2015 19:09:10

I just compared some the major skills of some heroes and they seem to be the same except the racial ones. There are so many of them that repetitions are unavoidable:

Vindicator - Righteousness, Warcries, Offense
Warmonger - Bloodrage, Warcries, Offense

Paladin - Righteousness, Diplomacy, Defense
Bone Guard - Necromancy, Defense, Diplomacy

Battlemage - Metamagic, Air Magic, Warfare
Stromcaller - Bloodrage, Warfare, Air Magic

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 29, 2015 19:09:22

Wizard - Metamagic, Prime Magic, Paragon
Emblamer - Necromancy, Prime Magic, Paragon

Ebon Knight - Necromancy, Offense, Dark Magic
Necromancer - Necromancy, Dark Magic, Offense

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Igelkolnikov The Ancient
May 29, 2015 19:19:04

The racial skills, attributes and creatures makes it different even if they share skills. Different perks and spells will give more or less synnergy depending on this. And with the randomness option choice becomes less easy. I wouldnt worry about it.

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EnergyW The Hack
May 29, 2015 19:25:35

... if that can be said as random.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 29, 2015 19:25:53

H5 has a real unique abilities, creatures or racial skills. I am not worried about these; just wonder how would it feel to have quite many spells and skills almost the same for each faction?

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SlumbrousShip5 The Furious
May 29, 2015 19:32:31

We have addressed this issue already! Devs don't care. It's part of the dumb skill wheel philosophy

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Antarius90 The Mysterious
May 29, 2015 19:47:36

Necromancer is based in offensive magic (magical damage), and Ebon Knight is based in offensive "physical" damage.

Solved.

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EnergyW The Hack
May 29, 2015 19:50:42

Is that all the difference between them?

I wouldn't call this solved...

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Antarius90 The Mysterious
May 29, 2015 19:59:16

ok, then all these heroes are wrong, and the game will be a chaos, and nobody will buy it.

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mErEnEfErEee The Furious
May 29, 2015 20:27:17

@Antarius90: It has nothing to do with the sales, but the real quality.

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Antalyan The Ancient
May 29, 2015 20:27:34

I hope so we will be able to switch classes in campaign (in the other case this system would be one big nonsense)

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EnergyW The Hack
May 29, 2015 18:19:56

Some claim 7 schools of magic isn't that bad. I disagree, for this isn't a big enough game to have that many schools. To have more schools, this game needs more factions and more creatures and everything improved, to the point that it is better than H3 itself. Which is not the case.

I say the more diverse the game is, the better justification of 7 spell schools.

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alcibiades.dk The Mysterious
May 29, 2015 18:37:43

Furthermore, the game currently have 7 magic schools of which at least the 6 are practically identical in what they offer: Some direct damage, some buffs, some debuffs, some adventure magic. Sure, there are differences in the details of each spell, but that doesn't change the fact that on the bottom line, there's not much difference no matter what spell school you choose. That for me is very bad game design. In Heroes 5, there was huge difference between spell schools, which meant variation.

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KhanOfSlaughter The Conqueror
May 29, 2015 22:47:57

There's a place for 7 schools of magic, they just need a better design and purpose.

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Najakir The Kreegan
May 29, 2015 22:50:21

Agreed with Khan. It would be hard to implement 7 usefull school, but it could be possible. Remember H4 and his 5 magic schools. It was not perfect but it work and give very different gameplay for each faction.

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DenisBulenkov 
May 29, 2015 22:12:58

Чат все еще не прикручен, кнопки редактирования нет, боевые машины не показаны, новые аватарки остутствуют - можно возвращаться на родные болота)

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Miks_ya The Ancient
May 29, 2015 22:16:51

ЗАТО, у нас ЧУТЬ не стартанула БЕТСИ, ха, завидуй теперь :-P :-P :-P

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Jo3780 The Magical
May 29, 2015 22:19:18

Ключевое слово "ЧУТЬ")

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DenisBulenkov 
May 29, 2015 22:36:00

Ну бету то и я потестить хочу - я просто думал что они должны исполнять свои обещания хотя бы на чуточку)

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DenisBulenkov 
May 29, 2015 22:36:48

А то получаеться "обещать - не значит жениться"

Наговорили нам про золотые горы, обесчестили покупкой неоправданно дорогой игры и еще посмеиваютиься над лохами)

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LukaOo The Faithful
May 29, 2015 22:37:30

Чуть чуть не считается, о драгоценнейший. :)

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L0rd_XEEN The Mad
May 29, 2015 22:49:43

Ден, сайт так сказать, богом забытый=) Так что делать тут практически нечего=)

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Mirash_ge The Dragon
May 29, 2015 23:21:31

For those who think the magic is too monotonous and boring, \ esteemed commentary \ answer
Do not worry!
Pile shoals and hidden bugs and unpredictable will make an indescribable diversity in strategy and tactics ))

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GalaadleHaut The Hero
May 29, 2015 23:24:07

lmaooooo ))))

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Stormhelico The Mysterious
May 29, 2015 23:33:23

-User uses Vessel of Shalassa
-A tank has appeared (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgOfqSQT2v4)
-Conquest of the world complete
User: ..That's the best spell ever :o

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