" With Heroes VII, we decided to keep the traditional Might & Magic classes separation. Each hero will be whether Might or Magic of course but subcategories also exists, allowing different skill wheel paths and additional abilities linked to their specialties. "
THIS MADE ME SO HAPPY!!
One of the best news so far! I feared that the differences between sub-classes might be more superficial, but different skillwheels and abilities? HELL YEA!! A big plus to variation and also to replayability!
totally agreed with you, this is great news!
same thing i thought :-) replay value suddenly whent up!
Had a mess about in Photoshop and put the male chest plate on the female hero.
I really hope that's how in-game model would look.
Devs, take notice! That's how a proper breastplate looks like
Looks much better, now the one with boobs looks ridiculous :D
Lol why even bother making female heroes, that's just total waste of resources. 1 Male hero design for each faction would be enough. Also since we are gonna get only horses they should just use same model for all. Horse is still just Horse and not going to get any better if they make some small changes to it. So many things they could put the wasted effort :(
Interesting,it seems like trolls can learn behaviors from other trolls if kept in their natural habitant. This could be a substential breakthrough on the field of internet-evolution's exploration. The only remaining question is: Who is the dominant alpha-male? Jeremiahemo or Ekohippi?
it really looks alot better, she still looks visually different than a male hero but without being ridiculous
I so agree Ekohippi! It's total waste of money, time and involvement making separate female Heroes, male ones would be more than sufficient!! I really don't see point in this.
Ekohippi, you may as well say 'why bother having any models or paintings, coloured shapes would be fine!'
If resources were extremely tight its more likely all hero models would be gender neutral and then you'd have male and female portraits. Its a crazy idea getting rid of all female heroes and would make no logical sense whatsoever in the lore. I don't really see how this is relevant either.
Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant:D
for some reason, i cant view it. anyone wanna share another link of anemesis's work?
Give me my boobsplate back you misogynist bastard - that one hurts me much. :P
Clegaw is this any better?
This is so much better (and such a simple thing too)!
Good,but are they going to be looking the same way? I know it's a ton of +work but that could differenciate them more.
Yeah, that would be nice...
That would be really nice, at least a different colour for that cape. But I doubt there will be a big difference considering we won´t even get different mounts ..
A recolour would be good enough. Paladin could have more white, vindicator - red and knight as it is
Certain Ubi-Nox denied there won't be different mounts. Just see the Q&A's most upvoted comments.
That's the question again. Probably, we will be sent back with "There are more important things, we need to provide high quality gameplay".
There could be little differences in models, like smal armour elements that doesn't change entire models animation. Plus recolor, ofkoz.
There are no drastically anatomically different mounts due to the fact that it would also require creating different skeletons and animations for them. However, there will be different appearances between the mounts. And recoloring the armor a bit really isn't a particularly drastic change and could probably be done in a few minutes each
Yeah minor diferences like greater wing ont the helmet a little different sword, mini detailes on the armor or some recolour would be enough,we don't ask much,just some minor difference to separate them visually as well.
Vindicator - dual swords
Knight - sword&shield
Paladin - 2handie
..but that would be too much to ask for I guess.. and I have another idea - make the colour of the cape (or whatever part of the armor) to represent the players color choice, so if I choose for ex. yellow as my main color (color of castle icons, mines on the map etc.) the heroes "accessories" will be yellow as well. Wouldn´t it be cool ?
If anything I believe Paladin should have shield - he's the defensive one here. But still, these are probably too big changes for the models I'm afraid.
NO WAY, difference between MIGHT and MAGIC heroes will be enough for me.
Here is the answer for your question @wasd1200:
Pretty much what I expected and hoped the 3 Haven might classes gonna be. BUT could you please explain us how exactly does this all work ? Will each hero class start with those 3 skills ? OR will each hero class have its unique perks/abilities in the 3 mentioned skills ? OR will the Vindicator have stronger warcries than the other two classes, but all classes can have the same perks ? Or how exactly does it actually work ? Thats the information I´m missing here.
Correct me if I´m wrong, but there hasn´t been any article about the basics of class system so far, and that´s something Iˇm waiting for for months already. And one more thing - where do heroes learn their warcries ? .. other than that, nice article, love the heroes artworks and enjoyed reading this one. I´m eager to see similiar articles about other factions as well, the Haven classes were kinda known to us already. (Also please increase the 500 letters limit already)
part of the article:
'different skill wheel paths and additional abilities linked to their specialties'
"subcategories also exists, allowing different skill wheel paths and additional abilities linked to their specialties" I guess Vindicator will have more available perks, thus stronger warcries
ptrsc answer. I interpret this as something like this (vindicator example) :
Access to master rank : warcries, offensive skill (more damage)
Access to expert rank : logistic, light magic
Yes but that´s one sentence about it. Seriously ? How many different abilities ? Only in those 3 skills or in other as well ? Where can I learn the warcries ? Those are the questions that should be answered..
Always there for you;PPP
Yeah, I knew I can always count on you :D
Since there'll be a skillwheel I think the special skills are going to be the '3rd tier' ones (like those closer to the centre of wheel in H5)
While I also would like to know more right now (dammit!!!;P) if the devs tell us everything now we will have no fun discovering this ingame and the game will get boring quickly.
I think there was enough speculation already, it´s time for facts ! :P I agree some things should be left to be discovered after the release, but this is quite important thing for me. I believe the class system will be a great feature if balanced right, so why hide the details ? I just want to know the basic things, I´m not asking for a detailed skillwheel for each class or anything ^^
I agree the article lacks on the mechanics: How is each class acquired? Do we select it at start, or all heroes start, i.e. as a Knight and can lean to Vindicators/Paladins depending on the skills choosen, opening certain parts of the skill tree, while closing others?
Are Named heroes (i.e lord Haart, lord Kilburn, Valeska, Ivan...) assigned a class directly and you need to pick the hero you hire, or you can pick the class for your hero?
As @Cleglaw and @GalaadleHaut requested I have TRIED making knight to look more like from wolf duchy, pls be gentle :P
-- http://i.imgur.com/6QXQwO7.jpg --
Thats perfect mate! but there is one thing you can fix, sword is too thick, its a bit unrealistic.
but gloves and other stuff is really great. good job mate!
upvote this gentleman everyone!
Is this better ?
-- http://i.imgur.com/RAU0fGQ.jpg --
Thx for sharing !
Some good ideas like the sword, and is this a wolf head on his torso ? Looks quite cool.
Sadly looks also unfinished, but keep it up !
How about this ? or is it too much ?
-- http://i.imgur.com/uLa0OOb.jpg --
The head and right leg stands out as they are a bit off, you need to rework these too so it coheres to the rest of your work but I gotta say, I'm impressed by how fast you progress !! :good:
agreed with galaad at most points. make it feel "whole", my advise, as designer, dont overdo it, keep things simple, dont change it much from original. remember all models will have small differences from each other-so to say, will require less modelling work-.
we, fans, need to show devs that small differance can make big effects.
impressed by your high-speed work. good job mate :)
very nicely done! i like it alot.
I'm guessing on what the hero classes will be for all the factions:
Might: Vindicator (offence), Knight (balance), Paladin (defense)
Magic: Inquisitor (offence), Cleric (balance), Confessor (defense)
Might: Blade mage (offence), Alchemist (balance), Sultan (defense)
Magic: Vizier (offence), Wizard (balance), Arch mage (defense)
Might: Warmonger (offence), Barbarian (balance), Chieftain (defense)
Magic: Bloodmask (offence), Shaman (balance), Dreamwalker (defense)
Might: Black knight (offence), Ebon knight (balance), Bone guard (defense)
Magic: Reaper (offence), Necromancer (balance), Embalmer (defense)
Might: Emerald warrior (offence), Ranger (balance), pathfinder (defense)
Magic: Sorcerer (offence), druid (balance), Farseer (defense)
Might: Shadow slayer (offence), Darkblade (balance), Trickster (defence)
Magic: Dark prophet (offence), Warlock (balance), Shadow weaver (defense)
Might: Flamelord (offence), Thane (balance), Jarl (defense)
Magic: Rune Priest (offence), Rune mage (balance), Rune keeper (defense)
Might: War master (offence), Samurai (balance), Shogun (defense)
Magic: Flood conjurer (offence), Monk (balance), Tide master (defense)
Might: Chaos lord (offence), Heretic (balance), Hellcaller (defense)
Magic: Pyromancer (offence), Demonist (balance), Hell child (defense)
hmm hmm i like :-D
_VERY GOOD - CONGRATULATIONS!
I'd honestly prefer for Archmage to be offense but it may make sense to have the Vizier there because as everyone who has played Prince of Persia knows, the Vizier will ALWAYS betray you in the end.
Yup, do not thrust the Vizier...
Nice one,but i advise you to change demonist to demonologist (i know,not too much difference but it sounds better and is more correct as name) and Hell child to Chaos weawer(?) well everithing other than Hell child,it reminds me of some creepy-demon-child caracter from horrors (no,not becoulse it's scary but becoulse i think it doesn't fit inferno) and i have another naming for the necropolis witch i think is better (again only my opinion)
Might: Plague Lord (offense), Death Knight (balance), Bone Guard (defense)
Magic: Nosferatu (offense), Necromancer (balance), Wraite (defence)
Interesting! Most of these are a bit recycled from MMH6, though. But I can imagine it would not be easy to conjure up something completely different. For Haven Magic (offense) we could have Zealot. Stronghold Magic (offense) could be Stormcaller. Stronghold Might (offense), perhaps a War Chief?
Necropolis Might (offense): Death Knight (yea, a bit cliché, I know).
Then allow me to repost my alternative (without snow)
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you can put links to more forward, because the copy paste becomes very difficult if the link is from the beginning
ah sorry, you got good post, I'm Spanish and translated give me came out from the beginning. sorry xd
I want someone to do a version for Academy, and later for other factions, when we see their townscreens. This is just sooooooooooo much better than Ubi's version.
Increadible work galaadle,wish you would make academy's as well and the other factions' and made it a mod,maybe i wouldn't even launch the game until that mode is installed...how much better it would be...
This is result of teamwork made with Lawmaker at HC, with the help of other members feedback and suggestions :)
Galaadle, nice placement for Tear of Asha building, far far away in the mountains
Thats so epic ! Ubi have to see it link it to them for email/twitter/facebook spam with it D: They have to see how epic is it ! They make a easy version of havens town when u just upgrade this. I love castles where are hause for normal peoples. Good Job ! :>
Galaad Statue of a dragon is very beautiful
Great! That is so much better than the super happy green version they are going to use!
Very good ! I like the sun on the center of the city, like if Elrath was only shining on his people !
This is the right atmosphere for the Wolf douchy. Good job guys! I like also the snowy version, but this one fits the best.
Awesome!Ubi should consider your design it's a lot better!
Could you please, PLEASE, just get rid of that boobplate on that female hero? Other than that it's perfect. both models are perfect, just that boobplatel... just that boobplate is unrealistic and it makes the character a bit ugly in the torso part. You know, even with a normal plate on their breasts they can look feminine, especially with the curved waist.
So I beg you, get rid of that boobplate and replace it with a normal looking breats plate. The model would be even prettier. :) Believe me.
I agree with you completely. Boobplates are ridiculous and only take away from the design.
If you want it realistic, women would not be fighting as knights in battles to begin with. Just learn to accept fantasy, as ridiculous as it is.
Hello I wasnt writing here for some time but i read all and must say THIS IS LOOKING VERY GOOD !! ;OOO
hi everyone, its been a busy week for me, i couldnt progress as much as i guessed before but here you are a pre-pre-pre-alpha sketchs going on right now. its pretty challenging to do 2d town screen. you gotta make every building visible from one camera angle and you gotta make town alive-logical at the same time... and also its challenging to make deep, vertical towns to fit screen frame without zooming out too much.
Wow this is really amazing, great job!
so basically my thoughts on town:
volcano-like mountain at back elevating higher grounds as it goes horizon, temple conmplex places itself there(consists several buildings. temple lava pool for salamanders(core unit)+runic chember+rune priests buildings(elite unit)+mage guilds+ lava dragon cave(champion)
capitol and castle are neighboor to each other, being designed as a whole second complex.
Now that's a professional design. Looks really good, sir!
That is horrible, doesn't fit current townscreen at all.. It has logic in design, wtf were you thinking!!?!? You know this game doesn't have logic in the screen so it's horrible misfit now!
Seriously nice job though, it does seem like good concept and I'm glad that you've kept it structured instead of buildings being mismashed like the dev screens seem to be. Keep up the good work!^^
these 2 complexes connecting each other with wide corridor platforms and bridges, with 2 kind of open fields, one is on top of capitol to bridge, a place for hall of heroes+ town portal+ vertical travel tower(lifts+stairs inside it..) and the other open field is on lower levels, a place for marketplace+resource silo+dwarven treasury etc.)
side parts of dwarven houses has holes-tunnels to outside and has some buildings vertically build on it(remember h5 fortress buidings). blacksmith for example
the one that i post doesnt reflect all what i wrote, still i thought i need to show somethings to you guys to let you know whats going on, aaand finally i can read your comments now :D
You try to create a fortress town-screen ? Intresting !
I wonder, If fans can create all the faction, will they implement it ? (Please, let me dream^^)
wow, thank you guys, i didnt expected such cool and quick responds, this gives me inspiration to go on.
ramborusina: yeah i was doind builgins one by one at first, then i realised this will lead horrbile mess, and then i saw haven ts, and comments on it.. so i decided to make things as a whole.
well, who knows?
its just a hobby thing for me, but if i can make this done, and if can make this good, why not? maybe they will inspect it? maybe even use it? no-one knows :)
It would be fun, a game where some part are partially creat by players ! It's probably possible, but not plan for H7... maybe for expansions.
Will Heaven's heroes have a squire beside them on the battlefield? That would be cool:-)
Heck yeah, that would be awesome!!!
That'd be great!
Devs one of the fans managed to do ur job and fix the haven town, pls take notice and use it, we would rly hate to be forced to have a shitty town just for the sake of keeping the pride of the "designer" who made ur original town:
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This actually looks better. I didnt mind the developer made townscreen, but this is superior. I like the different weather effects also.
@Denisa I need to correct you is not "one" of the fans, but actually 2. + feedback from other HC members ;)
Personally not big on the snow variations, but the initial version looks pretty good.
Holy shit that is beautiful. They need to make that the town screen.
daaamn,dude this is awesome!!!
made some progress on my version of knight from wolf duchy !
-- http://i.imgur.com/8dmR2vB.jpg --
Cleglaw and GalaadleHaut what do you guys think ?
Very pretty ! And it will be in the game?
Good progress, work the head now and you have yourself a pretty cool fanart :)
We can see that the image is not finished yet, but the concept is awesome. I really think, that they should use that for making the models.
Seriously, we have creatures in wolf duchy style, and heroes in standard Griffin Duchy style? That makes no sense!
Townscreen too is not Wolf Duchy style :-/
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Galaadle, you made that townscreen? 'couse it's awesome!
And yeah, the townscreen also doesn't really fit :/
But I think most of the buildings are more Wolf duchy style than in MM:H6. I'm talking about the colors here. MM:H7 townscreen has the buildings darker (It's mostly roof color tho -_-).
Devs aren't consistent on what they're doing. I don't like that.
Btw, I would love to see a mod, that would replace the official townscreen with the one you shown here. It's just better.
Building positioning and adding of walls and civilian buildings was made by Lawmakerex, but I did alter the whole atmosphere.
And I really wanted to implement snow, MMH7 such a good opportunity for winter haven.
I would really love to get that as the townscreen. I'm not sure about the snowy version, because it would be more complicated than just changing the image.
Btw, do you think modding will be possible with MM:H7? I don't have knowledge on these things, so I have no idea. But I really hope for it.
Here is original Lawmakerex to compare -- http://s16.postimg.org/m3pdehsub/HAVEN.jpg --
I really have a problem with these colors, is why I decided to work upon.
It has promoted that MMH7 will come with modding tools, if I understood correctly.
GalaadleHaut I like your townscreen but the one without the snow, the statue of elrath should be on the hill behind capitol and you can barely see Transept of Elysium
Minastir : Yeah I know, but I'm an amateur you know :P
This was like 3 days of work, I may come back to it later on, but I'm done for now :)
ME TOO xD
Wow this is awesome !!
Wow nicely made, I wouldn't mind seeing this one in the game too! Have you thought about a wolf-shaped helm too? :)
@GalaadleHaut I have made paladin and removed wings as you like ;) What do you think ? :D
-- http://i.imgur.com/AO2sbhh.jpg --
wılf theme sir, please wolf theme :)
that is beyond my photoshop skills ;/
just recolor it ^^ small touches maybe, removing somethings, adding furs etc etc, you can do it. :)
I say no matter what it looks definitely better without the wings :D
But I agree with Cleglaw is too "holy" for Wolf Duchy ;)
Good work nevertheless !! :good:
Adding furs is a great idea
Drop also the other wings (from shoulders + sword) :D
I'm working on it right now, trying to make him from wolf duchy
What do you guys think of this ?
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looks very good :D
is it Vindicator ? also known as the dark knight ;)
Is fanmade transformation of current model :P
SAURON, LORD OF THE RING
it was just a joke ;) imo it would fit vindicator and paladin would have white armor
Hence my smiley
What I like is that wings from helmet are removed :P
Good one! Exelent for dark knight,maybe an unique story hero in campaing,a fallen paladin.
Yeah totally a fallen paladin. Or some undead knight, a necro might hero:D
But I guess gold with black looks a bit off, better would be with silver IMO.
it looks amazing!!
One thing i would like to see is an ingame skillwheel guide,becoulse switching between the game and a skillwheel just breakes the feeling. So please include it,i don't think it would be so much +work,if yes than i may even do it myself for you,just please include it.
I wholeheartedly agree. I mean by the time I discovered skillwheels on the net I was already bored with H5.....
You could always print them :P that's what I did shortly after H5's release.
But on a serious note: it would be nice indeed if they it was accessible in-game
oh my yes pls
That`s a good idea! If nothing else, you can study it when you`re waiting for your turn in multiplayer =P
Yeah,but i always check if that is the part i choose,not to screw up my own plans.