The main problem I see here is that the game designers have no respect towards the series. They put their own personal preferences above what has objectively been proven to make these series awesome, and they condemn opinions of die-hard fans by mocking heroes 3 –the most successful iteration of the whole brand.
The skill system -crucial part of the game- is just not in line with the fans expectations. Players loved it in heroes 2, heroes 3, heroes 4 and heroes 5, yet we see something based upon heroes 6 –the most hated game in the franchise.
Yet they claim they are doing the game with us, for us, while it is clear they are only doing it for them. Good for them, they can fulfill their dream by bashing on a twenty years old fan base, doing it their way.
They are using the cheapest marketing techniques in order to gain new fans, but maybe it would be time for Ubidon’t to realize that it is bad move for profit, to keep driving long time fans away.
I don’t believe they’ve “learned their mistakes from heroes 6” as they claim, I believe they had no choice considering the fiasco that game was and are probably being butthurt about it. I mean, how much does this game screams of heroes 6?
Yes, heroes 4 had many good things, like the skills, the spell system, the alternate buildings, the artifacts, and I pass. Yes, heroes 2 loyalists do have a point when they defend creatures upgrade system or town development in example.
But where are those features in heroes 7? The “best of heroes”?
I think a huge majority of the fan base loves the gameplay of heroes 5 TotE and I don’t understand why developers didn’t bother to study it. It is not by saying the random implementation is similar to heroes 5 that it will magically come true.
At least they stopped lying about caring about their fan base, I guess the next step would be to stop lying about gameplay features of these –once awesome- series. The only honest move left is to sell the rights and do their spin-off under another name, and see how good THAT would sell.
>>>The main problem I see here is that the game designers have no respect towards the series
you are the one who dont have respect to series.
Well, when designer/writer of MMH7 says in live stream that he didn't like Heroes 3 anyway - tell me then who is showing less respect to series.
It’s all over.
Well, he has perfectly his right not to like homm3. But what I condemn here is putting personal preference above the customers.
he likes h2 more then h3 as he said, i see no disrespect in this... and hes not ultimate god behind mmh7 alone, what you guys are smoking on i dont know and i dont care, acting peasants with torchs doesnt look cool lol. my simple words are enough to answer yours, this should tell you something.
Big and spiteful words. Your problem seems to be that they dont respect your ideas, your opinions, your wishes and most of all, your demands. But you are not the spokesperson for the fanbase. Your opinions would carry much more weight if they werent spammed in such a childish and hateful way.
One dev prefers one game over another VS one fan mindless praising one game and attacks all that isn't like in that game
No offence Igel but having read these pages now few times over the past maybe two months Galaadle is one of the most objective fans here. He gives he's views and gives the resolution behind them. I've never seen abuse of any kind from him. Obviously he is a seasoned fan like many of us but to disrespect him just for his views is childish. I would bet you haven't even played the first two games of the series more than 15 hours. And, we are adult enough to actually potentially buy the game.
yeah sh.tting on every single article with same grumpy attitude is not something i can call respectfull, nor you can.
As I wrote, is not correct statements of the developers, about the importance of the opinions of the fans, because many of the most important aspects in the game, for example the wheel skill has been developed without their participation, in fact it was this vote, should be the first on this site
No I can't, but the truth is we don't agree with you and say it and speak the truth. Even if you don't like it.
Thanks for your post storm_sword,
To be fair, I also casted berserk and armageddon at times down this blog (sometimes hard not to loose it lol) but I do my best to try to also provide argumentation.
i agree with some of your statements galaad but lets be fair, he didnt mocked h3 and he didnt said that he dont like it. He just said h5 is his favorite. We may disagree with him but i dont see mockery here
Yes that is true, but they did say acid comments like "you don't like heroes 3, get out of here!". This was clearly a mockery, a very cheap shot, especially when you present the game to the fans, says a lot about how they hear the criticism IMO
Indeed he has the right to dislike HoMM 3, yet he should keep it for yourself.
ook, perhaps you are right i didnt saw that .I think i will rewatch the stream when i have time ;)
Ur welcome sir gallant, though I have to admit that I read and post very seldom on these pages :D
It was sarcasm about H3, but unfortunately they completely miss H5.
So it IS a sin to express dissatisfaction with H3, but it's perfectly fine to spew any and all bile at anything before? Sacred bow BS as any.
Wheel skills is one aspect that creates the skeleton of the game, so it was designed in the first place, then why was he shown in the middle of the game's development? They knew that there would be a lot of negative reviews, which is why he showed it when they don't have time to remake it...
Oh, and using governor system as an excuse to control area, seriously ...
territory control is the one thing that is not at all typical of the series doesn't take root in her, destroying her balance, 6 part of the game already proved it...
This all Shadow council is just a marketing tool. We could influence only a small part of the game, the core features were already decided by Ubisoft. Limbic could do the development if they offer 3-4 variant of features for the community and after a short voting, they will start working on it. Unfortunatelly the development of this game didn't go that way.... :(
@Kimarous It's his right to dislike H3 as I said, however I think at least unwise when one presents a livestream to fans.
Everything we chose is "the color of the wrapper from the candy"...
Well, given your reaction, it's he completely right? He expressed "I'm not such a fan of H3. OOPS! Shouldn't have said that, now I'm going to be crucified! *shrug*" Whereas your reaction is... crucifying him for expressing the expression that he will be crucified for not liking H3 so much.
isn't it ironic? Galaad is complaining about game designer's "mockery" and suddenly Lord_Darko shows that his "mockery" is sooooooo well deserved. I'm surprised that the designers didn't receive any death threat
@Kimarous Well yes he said "Some people will hate me..." nothing more or less. Yet it cast bad light, given the attitude of his next speech (about newer games doesn't feel like old ones). He could express differently, cuz it seems he prefers HOMM2.
Oh, get over it. So what if it "casts a bad light" on you POOR POOR H3 fans? I like H3, same as the rest of you. I'm also fond of H6, but it's TOTALLY OKAY if people express their distaste for THAT, isn't it? That's called "hypocrisy" and "butthurt."
This isn't about preference of H3, H5, H6 or any other Heroes game.
This is about H7 and every fan and dev should be aware of that.
Selecting schools in mage guild? Not a bad idea.
Most noticeable moments of the stream:
- Magic Guild offers to choose prefered school of magic
- Hero doesn't need army to move through andventure map
- AI doesn't cheat
- Map Editor is easy enough to create community maps
- MapPacks after release
- Sylvans and Dungeon to show in June
- Balance still WIP and will be adjustable after release
- 2D towns look pretty nice and cute with animations
- Some animations are still placeholders
- MetaMagic for Academy Faction for aditional attack effects
Give us the option to set cool cam only on critical or fumble hits.
And why is Minasil not a grandmaster in water magic?
Give as a camera which is show all the battle from 3rd person view, where we can move the point of view with arrows of the keyboard. Always switch to the creature which one on its turn. (only just in our army) Not easy technically but maybe worth a try...
-you can spam same spell, which was forbidden in h6,
-you can select magic schools in mage guild to make it easier to learn your magic school learned.
-adventure map doesnt feel like a giant vast space as it was like in h6,
-quick town screen/adventure map change, like in 0.5 second.
game is just going better and better. loved it.
Thank you for joining us during the live stream :) We hope you had a great time with us!
You can see the replay right now on http://www.twitch.tv/ubisoft/v/5286022.
More information about the beta on https://mmh7.ubi.com/en/beta
Thank you !!!!!
Please add to FAQ one more q&a : I bought MMH7 by steam. How and when I will get my beta key?
I heard you have to check your e-mail for that.
EnergyW With a steam it won't help.
Ah ... I found it in FAQ, Ok. Thank you very much.
Yes we enjoyed the twitch :)
Please tell, what if the closed beta period ended? Will it work offline till Spetember? Would be awsome. Thank you!
Bonne présentation du jeu et les devs ont fait du bon travail :-)
L'écran de contruction des cités est sympa et c'est une bonne chose qu'il ne soit pas identique pour toutes les factions.
Une bonne surprise est le choix de l'école de magie dans laquelle spécialiser la guilde.
Dommage que l'écran de recrutement ne présente pas la créature sélectionnée un peu à la manière du 5. J'espère que l'interface sera un peu retraivaillé.
L'écran du choix de compétence en mode aléatoire demande un peu de travail mais la fonctionnalité est présente :-)
L'écran de combat est sympa mais dommage que certaines animations soient saccadées.
En bref, j'ai hâte d'y jouer ! :-)
The game looks cool!
Not perfect, but still very attractive.
The random skills is the same as in Heroes V and that's a good point. Graphically beautiful and splendid music.
I like the construction tree, the choice of the preferred school for magic guild is a friendly addition. The Hall of Heroes seems to me very well designed, unlike Heroes VI was a limited choice of recruitable Heros (very, very good point).
I hope that the game will sell well for us to have the extension!
I want the Dwarves and the Inferno!
My biggest complaint is about the phases of fighting are a little too austere for my taste.
Static hero abilieties. +6 to spell power for water magic ... so boring. Why don't make +1 to power for each 3 level???
Because, in Ubi's eyes, is too "mainstream".
I believe that the hero specialization is among major details of Heroes game that make it great. But the specializations in Heroes 7 are awful.
J'espère que la vidéo sera disponible en replay.
I am sad that I lack the talent not to have said this earlier.
I heard that the development of this game started in about 2014, maybe earlier. And they also claimed they don't have much money.
However, they also said they don't have a vision how Heroes games should look like AND how the development of the games changed, so you have to put more effort in development than it was dozens of years ago.
So, why making half-assed games?
Best games are the ones where you can actually feel how much the devs and desginers put work into. For example, say, the feeling about crafting the ultimate building (with tons of effects and the design), or the concept of skill system in general.
Not only that, but if they want good games, then they should make wiser investments. Who cares about funny animations? Such things should be done late in development, not before. Or who thinks about having too much spikes or equipment?
In order to truly be the best, one must revise the previous "best" and see how its quality can be improved. I am not saying they should make another H3 or H5, but have some base of it and improve the ideas, give more variety and tons of other stuff. Instead, they forget about it, thinking they may suffer the fate as NWC and go with their own.
About the development time, if it is claimed how you need more time, why not have a couple of years of development rather than rush in? Does Ubi allow?
But no, they just have to go with graphics, features that will be badly implemented (heard already some critics about flank system) and the game may be at the same result as H4 or H6 had: not good enough.
So wake up! Why don't you want another success like H5 did? Why!? This question is dedicated to both fans and devs alike.
even heroes 5 wasn't as good as heroes 3. heroes 5 surprised Ubi by its sales, sometimes people forget most of heroes 5 fan base is heroes 3 fan base in the first place.
I see. I am a retard for wanting both devs and fans to feel better. Instead, people like you want things like H6. Have you even played other Heroes games, or even Might & Magic games before? Even so, I never noticed a single argument, just rants and insults. No words of wisdom, just rants. How (un)amusing. Insults to other people is actually a blessing to you, hmmm?
Then again, I should remind myself how "Shadow Council welcomes anyone, even people and *oldfags* that poison community".
Don't feed the trollolo
Well, maybe so. But I will still call it a success, perhaps not as big as H3, but still a success. Good enough for the community and the devs, though there is always room for improvement.
Oh absolutely, heroes 5 TotE had a great gameplay, and when I hear lead game designer says heroes 5 is his favorite of the series, I'm being puzzled by the decisions he made regarding skill system etc
My girlfriend is a graphic artist and she criticized the art of this game, she said in general, that maybe the games is made by not so experienced artists. I hope GalaaleHaut it will be not so true, I have still faith in the developers, that they will fix the most glitches.
your gf is totally right, visuals are outsourced for this game. also, I don't have any slice of faith towards developers after this video.
Galaad was the "I never liked heroes 3 anyway" too much for you? xxDD
lol that was not very surprising anyway, but very stupid IMO when you know heroes 3 is biggest heroes fan base.
anyway I'm speaking the truth about visuals, artist who made units is from deviantart. townscreens also are being outsourced, as admitted erwin during event interview.
and about me not having faith, just seeing lead game designers, how they play the game ...
I know it is a matter of taste... But I have an absolute dislike to this townscreens (special the haven townscreen): I fear a revision is not enough: that should be completely redeveloped! The current model looks too much like "disneyland"! Where are the Gothic towers we saw in heroes 5?? Where is the impressive angel-statue we saw in h5??
If you had asked me before I would have said that the haven-castle from h5 was just perfect!!! You see: GalaadleHaut is not the only one who loves the past...
but "half the budget of h5 went for townscreens". Yet gameplay of h5 is much richer and deeper than what we see now.
There is nothing to discuss. Townscreens are one big piece of crap. Period.
Add the yesterday attitude and words of Penin and Pirou about their "love" towards Heroes series and you have a simple answer why the game represents such low level :-)
2 weeks of beta for a bunch of guys who pre-ordered? Really funny.
Oh, no. 2 wreeks of DEMO a bunch of guys who pre-ordered? Really funny.
It's not even a DEMO. I don't know what it is. I would call it a test preview of the game.
But for a preview you don't need to pay for the pre-order, so I don't know.
Spoofery and no more.
recruting screen looks even more horrible that we see on images - I'm begging You: change recruting screen !!! Add arts and description for every unit or even such a greatness like recrtuting screen from Heroes5. And of course - bring back SANCTUARY !!! :]]
You know well they won't bring in factions, because that costs money and time they claim not to have.
However, they can at least improve the recruiting screen like it was done before H6: presenting 3D models and descriptions of the unit. Something that shouldn't take too much time nor effort to make.
sure, I know that if there is any chance to bring new faction, is situation that H7 will sell good and then, maybe devs will give us a expansion with next faction.
Which should be sanctuary...
@mediczero - DEFINITELY and strongly YES. Also Fortress should join to H7, I would be so pleased if they will come together in one expansion: Water&Fire.
Agreed. A water and fire exspansion would be perfect, especially if they adds alternative upgrades or alternive units...
Question. Graphics mediocre.Why such high system requirements?
Почему такие высокие системные требования , если графика средняя такая ?
because of bad optimization
Maybe it's just a twitch poor resolution?
Can we rotate the adventure and battle maps in all directions like in H5?
yes, didn't you watch the twitch video?
The company "Blizzard" make the game accessible to all purses.Its strategies are available to all.The company Ubisoft has always problems with the video card or Vind . \ I had problems with the N Video GF , Her 5 , Her 6 \
I just paid attention to more important issues :)
Depends on a lot of things, rendering methods, visual effects, programing.... But they said they will provide the system requirements for the beta, and the final version will be much more optimised.
They have curve hands.
Very good question Mirash :-) I would also ask about the price which is as high as for some games with excellent quality and tons of content.
GalaadleHaut, I hope they will die because of this noob disease they have. The earlier the better.
havent got it optimized yet? they told this over 6 times by now, it will get better, it wont be require high system later on.
maybe game designers should learn how to play the game?
!CAUTION! - This is heroes 3 video, watch at your own risk and peril
Yeah it was already bad with the H3HD stream (ofcource getting distracted all the time doesn't help), but it really looked like if they just started playing a Heroes game for the first time, was really embarassing.
Yasir, the wizard, with +250 gold per day. At least something of an interesting specialization, rather than "+X creature in Area of Control".