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Sorgimus 
April 10, 2015 17:57:31

As I wrote earlier - that is NOT Skillwheel system! Devs stop call this system as Skillwheel. Skillwheel was realised in Heroes V, not in Heroes 6.

See how it is implemented

--- http://www.celestialheavens.com/viewpage.php?id=520

---
#FBTWS
#Rework_Heroes_Skills_to_Classic_Skillwheel

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 10, 2015 18:01:49

They call things we want to hear. They give us the same bullshit. That's what they've learnt.

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arturo121.98 Таинственный
April 10, 2015 18:04:35

I cannot disagree and i think a skilltree would be better name ;)

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Chiasa Безумец
April 10, 2015 18:07:35

@arturo
More like skillpool, since skills have no prerequisites lol

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arturo121.98 Таинственный
April 10, 2015 18:13:19

or skillbasket without logical connections

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Shukfir Великолепный
April 10, 2015 18:49:24

It's a wheel. And it has skills. So it's a skillwheel.

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Raenus Свирепый
April 10, 2015 18:56:56

It is not a wheel though.

A wheel has skills that depend on abilities from multiple classes, ie. crossover between classes.

If you take the tree from MMH6 , cut the number of skills and fold it into a circular format it still is not a wheel. It is an incredibly over-simplified tree..

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rodaff Тень
April 10, 2015 19:45:49

It's a H6 rehash , that's what it is.

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viragosg Свирепый
April 10, 2015 21:25:01

Actually yes, so #GUBSS

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EnergyW Хитрец
April 10, 2015 22:42:32

Bah, the less spoken about this excuse of a skill wheel, the better.

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xixo78 Тень
April 10, 2015 22:56:17

_humm, maybe now I undestood..

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 11, 2015 09:22:53

If you were inspired by H5 skillwheel, look again because it seems you've mistaken the wheels. Look again on all the different connections, unique skills for every faction, each skill had different set of unique abilities, requirements etc. etc. It was amazing.

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Wo0olfy Таинственный
April 11, 2015 10:36:46

If you play with "Random" option activated, I think it will become more like H% skillwheel.
But it will better be Random by default and option to be able to choose.
About warcries .. I don.t like the ideea, especially when they all are allmost the same ( in H6 were more diverse)

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Lizard_Warrior 
April 10, 2015 23:45:58

"We hate H6, please don't repeat it" - the fans
"Here at M&M HQ, we pulled out of our asses the fact that you liked h6 so we will repeat exactly the same hated skill system, but now we will have 2 magic heroes with different names and a total of 6 magic heroes subclasses! Also we got 7 magic schools because Ashan." -Ubilimbic

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Sempai_Mur Тень
April 10, 2015 23:50:17

:D

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pdugousset 
April 11, 2015 00:16:57

;-))

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ramborusina 
April 11, 2015 01:45:55

That about sums it up ;P

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Cleglaw Советник
April 11, 2015 06:53:25

*sigh*.. another h6 bashing post.
look mate, i am a fan of this series for over 15 years and i like h6.

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 11, 2015 07:01:11

H6 was such a success. So many people were so happy that UBI wants to repeat it :D Good luck :D

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 11, 2015 07:02:04

Good luck on this descructive path. It seems you have learnt nothing.

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Lizard_Warrior 
April 11, 2015 12:19:47

@Cleglaw: H6 had more bugs than a dead dog during summer heat in a swamp

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rodaff Тень
April 11, 2015 22:25:50

That would be very funny if it weren't the sad depressing truth about this game...

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Thranduilll Таинственный
April 10, 2015 18:17:50

Can we just please go back to H5 wheel with few changes? I really miss the time when every faction was special and different :C

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rodaff Тень
April 10, 2015 19:49:00

You want differences and variety? Come on, that's too much, what are you going to ask after that? Replayability? Non-recycled unitis? a quality game?

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Raenus Свирепый
April 10, 2015 23:31:09

THE AUDACITY!

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Pawek1308 Древний
April 10, 2015 20:37:26

People, wake up! You were able to write thousands of comments concerning looks of the game yet nearly no one cares about the most imprtant aspect of the gameplay? This must change. What are we going to benefit from the fact that Liches look better if controlling heroes to whose armies they belong will be dull and unimaginative? Stand up and fight! Do it for the fandom! Do it for the game!

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Sylv4n2005 Разрушитель
April 10, 2015 20:38:15

Lichs, with their utter lack of spells :D

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ereius69 Свирепый
April 10, 2015 20:43:50

You sir have my blade

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Tomaskooo17 Свирепый
April 10, 2015 20:44:26

We cares about aspect of the gamplay but not everithing can be change , If majority of people not complain then nothing will change. By the way if Ubi dont want changes ,......

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viragosg Свирепый
April 10, 2015 20:50:43

We must fight!

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Twaddlefife 
April 10, 2015 20:51:26

Someone should post a list of all the interesting hybrid skills from homm5 and what they do to give an example of the kind of uniqueness and variety most of us are looking for from skills

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Pawek1308 Древний
April 10, 2015 20:56:56

I am planning to do that on a daily basis, starting tomorrow.

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RRick_CZ Триумфатор
April 10, 2015 21:08:06

It is indeed silly there was so many people complaining about necro (myself included, eventhough I wouldn´t care about it that much now, when real problems raised) but now there is not that many comments. But reading the comments there is still a lot of people unhappy. We just need someone who has time and will to spam it over and over. I will gladly support you... but let´s not forget there are more problems (specializations, repetetive unit skills etc..) and not only bad skillwheel

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Sylv4n2005 Разрушитель
April 10, 2015 21:08:25

Well, I am waiting for them to release more complete information, as all we have so far is snapshots. They have done a very good job in some respects, but I am not looking forward to a revival of HVI mechanics. I didn't care for them. Overly simplified and homogeneised.

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mammothhunter3 
April 10, 2015 22:54:47

Was expecting a shit hurricane here too but it looks like people are demoralized and losing hope just like I do too.
In H6 class influenced gameplay more than faction and it seems we are heading the same direction now.

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RobvD84 Безумец
April 11, 2015 16:57:18

I think a lot of ppl have already given up, especially afther the spiderpolis reveal.

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rodaff Тень
April 11, 2015 22:29:00

I will post daily comments about this topic, but honestly I'm getting tired of fighting and complaining.

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B_WE 
April 11, 2015 22:43:28

The limitation to level 30 seems to be nonsensical...
Moreover: It would be nice, to see a much improved skill system... You can't mention enough the suggestion by BeYo_OnD (thank you again!):
https://mmh7.ubi.com/de/blog/post/view/the-skillwheel-in-mmh7#5526bca529c8363159aa6e07

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guest-DSOOiYWG Таинственный
April 10, 2015 18:16:55

Each faction should have their own types of strategies. Demon or Undead can't possibly do these Warcries!!

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adamalldis 
April 10, 2015 18:26:53

Agreed. Undead should have Morale-Reducing and Fear Warcries.

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S9TF1 
April 10, 2015 19:04:02

Can we make it so that Leadership for Necropolis reduces enemy morale instead?

It would be like the orcs in HOMM 5: their "magic schools" reduced the effectiveness of magic by the opposing heroes. It was a nice touch that added some much-needed variation.

Necropolis in HOMM 7 is no different than its HOMM 5 counterpart. It has next to no uses for high morale. But reducing enemy morale... well, that's another story.

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Keidenn Свирепый
April 11, 2015 09:27:22

Undead not only should decrease morale (we've got that before) but spoil battles for others, for ex. when vamps bite they infect the victim, that woulв nicely havoc the whole strategy for their opponents! Cmon, they're Necro, they can't be just another typical game race... We need more individuality, and what I see this far is the same dull setup for all the races

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mammothhunter3 
April 11, 2015 11:23:47

Well, it is the class system that did that to the game. Classes are more different than factions since H6. It seems they also need them for the plot, 3 might and 3 magic classes, one for each member of the shadow council. To make factions also unique they need to reinvent 6x6 = 36 wheels.

Get Rid Of Classes, GROC

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Chiasa Безумец
April 10, 2015 18:19:15

It's funny how devs/Ubi love to and succeed in reusing things most people wouldn't want to ever see again and fail to add features we'd gladly welcome back.
Warcries adding +x to y stat are boring, unimaginative and add no variety to the game.

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 10, 2015 18:21:52

I dread to think that most skills will be similar and will follow the same generic pattern, like most things in this game.

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Someborednerd Бродяга
April 10, 2015 18:22:49

You're saying that Haste, Stone Skin, Slow, Suffering, Vulnerability were also unimaginative?

Because that's EXACTLY what these spells were doing. Affecting stats.

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Chiasa Безумец
April 10, 2015 18:24:51

And an exact copy of these spells is exactly what might heroes needed?

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Someborednerd Бродяга
April 10, 2015 18:26:36

Alright, point taken. That however actually makes me pretty hopeful about Light Magic, tbh.

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Woodplay Маг
April 10, 2015 18:36:40

I prefer more passive boost and faction distinctive skill and boost, for example heaven faction can regenerate 1% hp outdoor and but suffer 1%hp in underground or boost like 1% more damage to undead or hero gain double action at grandmaster skill.... something like that, I think would be more interesting than just magic like warcries, I don't think it work in realty, why don't I have to suffer in games... someone shouting and you get motivated and all the sudden you are better? .... silly

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rodaff Тень
April 10, 2015 19:56:00

Meh, after yesterday I just don't care anymore, almost all my hope is gone.
I'm waiting for a statement from the devs acknowledging the issues in their "skill wheel" and a possibility for improvements. That's the only thing that might still save this game for me.

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DonatasL Таинственный
April 10, 2015 20:03:06

I seem to be missing something here, All i see is a lot of cry babies crying about the skill wheel, could someone explain in simple terms why they think it is awfull? I just dont get it seems fine to me. Please reserve your idiotic comments to yourself, I am looking for a well though out argument. Thank you

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ereius69 Свирепый
April 10, 2015 20:09:28

The skill wheel is very generic that is true.... it can be improved by adding unique skills to each faction and class + faction...it sucks compared to h5 one

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rodaff Тень
April 10, 2015 20:14:08

@DonatasL :
That's a really mature way to ask for "a well though out argument", especially with the inclusion of terms like "cry babies" and "idiotic".
You don't deserve an answer, also every smart person that played the previous six games can understand the failures of the current skill wheel, the fact that you can't see those mistakes speaks poorly of your intelligence.

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ereius69 Свирепый
April 10, 2015 20:19:26

DonatasL :

The problem is that the H5 skill system was amazing and this is a step back, please let me elaborate :

1. There were more skills
2. Each faction had unique skills : Elves had eleven luck , daemons had searing fires and swarming summons, haven had guardian angel, wizards had termors and remote control etc.. each faction had some form of uniqueness in two ways : A. Unique normal skills. B. Unique ultimate skillis

This meant that very hero was very different that other hero

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ramborusina 
April 10, 2015 20:22:21

@DonatasL

1. The round h6 skill-bar is very simple, it lacks depth and complexity. There are no cross-requirement.
2. Optimization is problem because of the simplicity, you only need single skill upped and you get to grand-master.
3. It has fairly low amount of skills/abilities say, compared to h5 where there is real skill-wheel.
4. It lacks unique abilities as it seems. The different wheels are alike(based on the ones we've seen) and only basically different abilities are racials(including gm)

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Sylv4n2005 Разрушитель
April 10, 2015 20:26:47

The "skill wheel" is an illusion that something as successful as the HV skill system would be implemented, but in actuality it is just a new format for a HVI skill rehash. HVI, for whatever reasons people did like it, was not liked for its skill system. Does this answer your question Donata? No need to be so patronising.

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ereius69 Свирепый
April 10, 2015 20:26:58

If the above will be implemented there will be around 2-4 optimal builds. 2 builds for mages and 2 builds for warlords with very tiny discrepancies between them. In the H5 system you had a minimum of 2 optimal builds per FACTION with few commonalties like luck and logistics which are common across the builds but otherwise everything else will be very different from build to build. With the above the end result will be very very close to the H6 skill result i.e. identical heroes across the board.

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Sylv4n2005 Разрушитель
April 10, 2015 20:31:24

@Ereius This is further underscored by the fact that virtually all factions will have one cookie cutter set of might and magic heroes, which differ only in minor aspects. In trying to allow for more faction differentiation, they've actually succeeded in reducing it.

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RobvD84 Безумец
April 10, 2015 22:20:11

And these warcry skills are almost outright copy paste (only with slightly edited explanation).

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Chiasa Безумец
April 11, 2015 17:49:57

I don't think the skill system will be fixed but whatever
1. Level cap - Limiting hero's development outside of campaign is plain dumb, why would one stop gaining experience at some point? Also it makes large maps quite boring as after reaching level cap it becomes clear that there's nothing else left to do. Current, oversimplified skill system forces level cap since no exp gain = no more skill points, and that's the only way to limit number of skills one can learn.

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Chiasa Безумец
April 11, 2015 17:50:45

2. Hero classes - 6 per faction is way too many, I still don't understand why would anyone need it? For the autoskilling feature? 1 Might and 1 magic hero class is more than enough as it already defines hero's focus and most important stats, also another way to make them different (other than pointless restrictions like magic hero can't learn Warfare, for example) could be slightly different racial perks.

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Chiasa Безумец
April 11, 2015 17:51:27

The way it is now more focus is put in making each of 6 classes different instead of emphasising how varied heroes of different factions should be. And playing a Stronghold hero should feel 180° different to Academy one, no matter might or magic, even if the army is full of neutrals.

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Chiasa Безумец
April 11, 2015 17:52:06

3. Ubi-Limbic's "skillwheel" - It's not a skillwheel. Period. Just like the term skilltree describes a skill system of structure similar to a tree kind of graph, the name skillwheel implies there are some connections between elements that belong to different parts of the wheel. H5 skillwheel, that without a doubt was the inspiration for this one in fact consisted of several mostly independent skilltrees with connections between some of the skills.

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Chiasa Безумец
April 11, 2015 17:52:34

The thing presented 2 days ago is more like a skillpool (or a skillbasket as someone suggested :D) since there are no dependencies between any of the graph's elements. Call spade a spade, all right?
4. Magic and Warcries - I would prefer if Stronghold didn't have magic at all, but that's a different matter. 7 magic schools is too many, it's a mess, no one needs it and it doesn't make sense at all.

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Chiasa Безумец
April 11, 2015 17:52:48

Warcries, so similar to some of support spells make it even worse, the idea of warcries per se isn't bad and could add great variety to the gameplay but the way it is now it won't, all factions using the same 5 warcries is plain stupid. We have 3 magic classes, neither of which can possibly learn all spells available and 3 wannabe-magic classes that can use exact copies of support spells.

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Chiasa Безумец
April 11, 2015 17:52:57

5. Specializations (cause it's connected) - Are the thing that could truly differentiate heroes of various factions, giving them unique abilities and bonuses or making their creatures more efficient through boosting their stats or giving special skills. Specializations like +x to Cabir growth are just proof of how half-arsed it all is - especially that they're static

I didn't mention skills since I don't know much about these. And sorry for any typos and grammar mistakes :3

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ramborusina 
April 11, 2015 18:02:53

I don't really mind hero classes themselves, but I just wish they only effected attribute/stat growth(one focused on spell-power, another on knowledge and so on) in different combinations and not limit skills. I don't favor the classic split between might and magic, I would much rather see combined skill-wheel that allows you to build your hero as you wish like in h5 with all skills available. Here you could effect the stats by choosing class unlike in h5 as improvement.

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xzloth01 Преданный
April 11, 2015 18:53:36

i donowana spam and or repeat myself, but totally agreed!

https://mmh7.ubi.com/en/blog/post/view/the-skillwheel-in-mmh7#5528260eca0177b708aa6e07

and

https://mmh7.ubi.com/en/blog/post/view/warcries-presentation#5528e1dcca01773f02aa6df8

sorry DEV's

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Woodplay Маг
April 11, 2015 20:45:39

Logged in to support u :D ... totally agreed!!

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Karel131 Безумец
April 11, 2015 10:33:19

*Slow clapping*. Ubi, you have really outdone yourself this time. I have watched your progression for a long time and my hope for this series decreased a lot. I have just decided not to support this series (company) anymore, because I truly do not wish to get my hopes up for Heroes 8 and then got slapped with this trash, that this Heroes 6,001 is. Seriously, you have no imagination at all, google H5 skillwheel system.. Good luck with ruining HoMaM. I hope this is your last Heroes game, farewell.

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logical.dust 
April 11, 2015 10:47:51

Although they say that this should be game for fans, they lack any form of critical thinking and without any doubt they base new heroes on H6 which was considered as biggest fail in the history of failing. Then Erwan just say that fans feedback is contradiction to creative vision ... 'his vision'. Game itself seems to be quite pretty, limbic have done some miracles to work with what was given, but most of design work is just rubbish.

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Karel131 Безумец
April 11, 2015 10:55:22

Mr. dust - yeah, I would rather like if the game wouldnt look so visually good and be creative with its gameplay. But nope, players nowadays needs the best graphics :))

I just wanted to say last thing Ubi. Everyone in gaming know that you are together with EA worst companies in the world. You should learn from your failures and for love of god, dont develop a game, if you have such a limited budget!!!!!!
This game is half-assed and you know it.

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RobvD84 Безумец
April 11, 2015 11:17:40

Well if they even had a conversation with us for once, they would now that what they are doing is turning a lot of ppl away.

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Tomaskooo17 Свирепый
April 11, 2015 11:33:48

they give you a hope at the beggining of development but like time its running you realize that everything its just words. I wish that I am wrong but except nice looking graffic everything else looking very cheap and on the fast run . This game deserve big budget and experienced developers

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logical.dust 
April 11, 2015 11:55:26

@ Tomaskooo17 : Limbic is german company, I dont think that they are under funded or not capable. But they are just fulfilling contract. Its not expressed anywhere who is responsible for skillsystem design or lore, but I would say that this things are just handed over to them from ubisoft (I might be wrong thou). First step in resolving any problem is admitting that there is one ... they have ton of feedback and complete information about development, they should be capable of doing right choice

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 11, 2015 12:01:12

Who cares who is responsible? Limbic, Bimbic. It doesn't matter if the game sucks.

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Tomaskooo17 Свирепый
April 11, 2015 12:15:36

yes they have money but Ubi paying for develop. H7 and Ubi not paying any extra money to them ao why do extra work , why do better game. they get there selary and that is all matter . H7 deserve big investment and specially in 25 universary . Am I right ????

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logical.dust 
April 11, 2015 12:19:35

@ merenefere1282 : well :) the final product is what matters. True that. But no matter how much money you put to development - game still will suck if there is bad initial design - and it will always be bad if decisions will be done by people who dont understand what makes this game what it is. Money and contract might have been problem in H6, but this time ubi should just admitt problem in their vision.

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 11, 2015 12:28:25

It clearly shows that the same people are responsible. They base a game on H6 instead starting from scratch despite a failure.

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VincLord 
April 11, 2015 12:50:41

Mr. Karel131 - brilliant picture of a fan that not bothering himself with a thinking and knowing how games must look. He just open news and says: Oooh, again not like in H5\H3, hate this!
You see, H5 has problem with balance, and they are so gigantic that i can't bealive so many people can't see them. More over everyone asks for creativity and at very same moment hates every single new thing that devs offering. Really sorry if i heart you with my words but this is ridicules!

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 11, 2015 13:04:26

H5 is engaging and truly gives "one more turn" syndrom. It's fun, and too much balance destroys all the fun. H5 was random, unpredictable etc. etc. It's big part of the game, which can change the result of a battle etc. If they didn't abandoned the game, there would be more balance where necessary

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RobvD84 Безумец
April 11, 2015 14:13:06

@VincLord I am sorry but where do you see something new? They said they wanted to put the best things from all past heroes games, but all i see right now is this becomming H6 2.0. All i see right now is all that H6 influences. And what's with all this copy paste, it's annoying.
They want to make the best heroes game, but this will fail if they continue this path.
And then there will be a big chance in no expac (screw dlc) and no H8.

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damianjcoles Преданный
April 11, 2015 05:59:18

@ Ubisoft staff:

I noticed Heroes VII is now on Steam at http://store.steampowered.com/app/321960/

Please remove this feature from Heroes VII: "Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: Uplay Account Required"

It is often buggy, time-consuming to deal with and makes playing your games a chore rather than a pleasure.

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drusain 
April 11, 2015 06:09:18

Yeah I'm pretty sure "No UPlay" was promised several times, so I hope whoever made the Steam page (probably whoever's uploading the builds?) can get in contact with PR as soon as possible and get that settled.

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Raenus Свирепый
April 11, 2015 06:19:34

PLEASE don't make us deal with Uplay.

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Cleglaw Советник
April 11, 2015 06:37:01

"The Deluxe Edition contains:
an exclusive hero,
a scenario map"

what the fuck?

estra map?dont tell me that we have 10-20 total map again! >:( look how many map h3 have with core setup!

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 11, 2015 06:53:48

Soon I will start warning people telling them it's just H6.2 before they waste their money.

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 11, 2015 06:58:19

I will not spend my money on people who play with fire. They don't care what people want from a Heroes game.

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Cleglaw Советник
April 11, 2015 07:00:47

i still have hope about this game, a good map editor may still save this from lack of maps. and also this isnt h6 v2.0... but you can see i still get mad from time to time. problem is devs are sometimes act arrogantly, and it makes me question the quality of the game that will get released... but anyways, i am still greatful that we have another heroes game. after all, h7 was looking impossible after h6 release...

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 11, 2015 07:05:16

It's not a Heroes game. They just call it that way because they have a right to. But they change the meaning of words again to make people hear what they want.

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 11, 2015 07:06:33

If they changed core rules of chess, how could it be called "chess". That would be a different game.

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Niwroc Древний
April 11, 2015 07:08:45

You still need it for activation, but you don't need it every single time you want to play the game.

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 11, 2015 07:14:35

I don't understand how they can compare this with H3 telling people that this is based on it. This is a marketing lie! It will probably be a nicely packaged trash.

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SopranoPorpoise Тень
April 11, 2015 07:31:49

Indeed , I do like the rewards you can unlock, but Uplay has been a big frustration for me at times

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Yogoort Безумец
April 11, 2015 07:32:48

dont believe everything You see on steam man :) There are a lot of shops giving even date of reliese - september 2015 but still we dont know real date from devs so ... its just supposition

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 11, 2015 07:37:21

The mechanics is simple because they can't handle a more challenging one. No time etc. This game is just a fast buck.

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stevemandib 
April 11, 2015 07:44:09

Didn't they say that registering the game through uplay once would be required, then after that it could be played without it? Hopefully that's all they are referring to, and they haven't back tracked on that one.

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Elle-One Маг
April 11, 2015 08:20:13

Yes, clarification on that would be very important, do we need UPlay always, just once for the activation or never? The second two are fine with me, but always having to rely on the UPlay servers is a dealbreaker. During the last year, I have tried twice to replay H6 and always given up because I couldn't play half the time.

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 11, 2015 08:34:32

They told us you need to activate it only once on Uplay. It works like with every UBI game, you need to have Uplay app installed. Simple.

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Eledhal 
April 11, 2015 09:07:01

Please, don't force UPlay down our throats again. It is a REAL DEALBEAKER.

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 11, 2015 09:24:26

@Eledhal: Wishful thinking.

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Woodplay Маг
April 11, 2015 10:54:25

Did the developer said in black and white that UPlay will not be used?? Because I remember they mentioned that they will rethink about the amount of extra content when connected online....
p.s. I hate UPlay

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 11, 2015 11:17:18

You need connection only once, so you need Uplay.

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Pawek1308 Древний
April 11, 2015 14:25:28

What devs meant is that you need to activate the game on Uplay once. To do this you need to be connected to the Internet. Later you will be able to play the game even when there is no Internet. This situation is exactly the same as with M&M X.

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Bongowomabt Свирепый
April 11, 2015 02:22:00

Ubi you said u want this to be powered by the fans. Well we HATE and don't want heroes 6 again so don't do it all this page shows is heroes 6 and we don't like that

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apaTorsk Свирепый
April 11, 2015 08:18:24

Yes we do... as a hot seat game, H6 is brilliant...

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work4food_ Свирепый
April 11, 2015 08:25:43

@apaTorsk, are you kidding me? have you played any of the heroes games before? 6 was by far the worst.

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Marblethrone Рыцарь
April 11, 2015 09:26:05

@work4food_:

I played H3, 4 and 5 before 6, and I still like 6 no matter what :).

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apaTorsk Свирепый
April 19, 2015 22:48:17

everyone except the first... the problem with comparing everything with h3 is that you compare it with the memory of h3, not the actual game... didn't like h4 though...

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GalaadleHaut Герой
April 13, 2015 15:38:01

Seems to me that Ubilimb is so desperatly trying to save Heroes 6 ... You guys are wrong, drop the ego, change creative vision, study what is Heroes gameplay. You guys here are not making Heroes. You are making another game. Please, stop being that stubborn ...

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Mirash_ge Дракон
April 13, 2015 15:46:10

Galaadle.may need 2 separate games?
1 continued G5
2 continued G6

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Mirash_ge Дракон
April 13, 2015 15:48:20

sorry H5 .H6

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rodaff Тень
April 13, 2015 15:49:57

+1
Remember when they told us that they wanted to take the best features about each Heroes game?
If they still want to do that, they should take some time to play the previous games (especially H3 and H5, but no H6) and see why those games were so great and why people keep playing them today.

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LordFoxton Советник
April 13, 2015 15:55:23

Stubborn feels like the perfect word for it. Despite constantly saying they're learning from mistakes, every week we see a little bit more of how that's really not the case despite the majority of players telling them exactly what they're doing wrong.

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Mirash_ge Дракон
April 13, 2015 15:55:34

Game 7 heroes imprisoned under 6 H, unlikely to be able to change this situation Ubi now ((

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Mirash_ge Дракон
April 13, 2015 16:08:45

Promised an interesting complex system of H3-5 / made H6

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savvx 
April 13, 2015 16:15:20

Hell yes! They have ultimately powerful, absolutely free resource - The Community. They have experience of 6 parts of the game. But how they use all this? In 10-15 %. They think that if they sell 2 millions copies of ugly V6 it is a success... but for SUCH franchise it is the epic fail. And they still pay money to strange "innovation people", instead of listening us. Us... who will pay them... or not... if they fall once again.

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Someborednerd Бродяга
April 13, 2015 16:29:06

You know... they pay money to people who are able to create games. I don't mean ideas. I mean actually writing the game's code, preparing its artwork... they shape it, they create it. None of us has any right to disrespect them like this, be honest - we have experience as players, not as game developers.

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Mirash_ge Дракон
April 13, 2015 16:38:43

@savvx I don't understand why the forums. Of Ubi goes its own way ....What forum? Experiments for psychologists ?
Короч не пойму ,к чему форумы делать ,если Юби свою линию гнет ...)

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LordFoxton Советник
April 13, 2015 16:38:59

I'd normally be inclined to agree with you Sligneris but there's still that doubt in the back of my mind. I had so much hope for H6 and then it just got dumped, with a half-baked expansion and minimal patching. Maybe only time will tell and by this time next year we'll all be enjoying an awesome game and looking forward to future DLC. I hope that's the case. I want to spend my money on a really well made Heroes game.

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logical.dust 
April 13, 2015 16:43:06

@ Sligneris : well you have one good point there ... we have no right to give them advises how to optimise game code (as most of us here dont know UDK3). But we do have all the information and knowledge to give suggestions about gameplay as in this area they seem to have absolutely no clue. You have to actually play the game to understand it, and not play it because you are paid to do it ... I mean to play it in your own time. I wonder how many hours did Erwan play H6 until he got bored ...

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Niwroc Древний
April 13, 2015 17:43:06

Sligneris, normally I'd agree with you, but core mechanics and the like has next to nothing to do with the code and optimization. I'd be with you in a heartbeat if this was a "Just optimize the code already!" argument. But it's not. It's about who do they want to listen to, the people who think they know what fans want, or the fans?

Right now their choosing to listen to people who think they know what we want, not to what we actually want, and that is where their problem lies.

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Lizard_Warrior 
April 10, 2015 23:55:44

Hello Heroes, have you seen the Erwheel?
http://i62.tinypic.com/a40uwk.jpg

Ubi is love. Ubi is life

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RobvD84 Безумец
April 11, 2015 00:02:16

Je Suis Erwan!

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Sempai_Mur Тень
April 11, 2015 00:02:33

Erwheel... man, I laugh to tears xD
LMFAO xDD

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LightAvatarX Непоколебимый
April 11, 2015 01:01:38

This is the most sick thing I have ever seen in my life!
What dod this human did to you and you make fun of him?
He is the crearive director if I am not wrong and he tries for the best!
This is rediculous!

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 11, 2015 01:05:11

He hired you and paid you to spam and troll here, hehe.

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 11, 2015 01:06:55

Or maybe he's your type :P I will disappoint you. He's married :D

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LightAvatarX Непоколебимый
April 11, 2015 01:13:37

What?He is married?Burn him!

#BurnErwanLeBreton

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Bongowomabt Свирепый
April 11, 2015 01:43:10

Hang on to little spiders in it :D the game has a lot so there should be a lot on that :P

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rodaff Тень
April 11, 2015 22:31:44

LOL!

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 10, 2015 23:52:17

The only things that will be better are: the engine, graphics, some creatures (still many are questionable), and the adventure map. The thing is that the game is not exactly about those things, though, they can attract some newbies or kids. So sad that you are devestating the trademark since H6. The core game rules should never change or you lose. Thus, I think you should change the name of the game because it's mocking someone else work and people who created this wonderful title in 90s

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 10, 2015 23:55:40

This mechanics has no future. People will be bored pretty quickly, disiappointed, and the game forgotten. They will never trust you again. Stop this vicious circle now. I seems I care more than you!

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 10, 2015 23:57:38

The only resort for this game may be modders, our devoted saviours, but it is only a hope they can fix anything.

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Lizard_Warrior 
April 11, 2015 00:00:31

The game must be good enough in the first place to present an interest for modders.

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 11, 2015 00:03:34

That is true. Modding is not fixing, actually. It is improving, expanding, eloborating etc.

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Bongowomabt Свирепый
April 11, 2015 01:44:39

Yeah I mean not many mods at all for heroes 6. BUt go back to heroes 3 and 5 they have a load of mods. I wished the person that did the heroes 5 sanctuary mod did it in English :D

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Woodplay Маг
April 11, 2015 04:29:24

I wish there is as much Modder as in Skyrim :D, even the game has passed a few years, the community is pretty active, they can change town screen, texture, UI, AI difficulty and many other things, but this is Skyrim is design to allow modding. It will be hard if ubi don't encourage it.
lol... on a second thought, people may mod Homm3 or 5, if Homm7 sucks

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Cleglaw Советник
April 11, 2015 06:51:16

engine, graphics, most creatures, adventure map, map editor, non-random skill option, improved gameplay mechanics(area of control for example), music(totally new and brave, masterpiece level work).

if those are not enough for you, then personally i cant see why are you even here. just because some half-worked skillwheel you burn and drown this place. i think you should just stop bitching at once. ah btw, not only you, all the people upvoted you.

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RobvD84 Безумец
April 11, 2015 17:03:08

@Ceglaw i am sorry, but this is anothere piece on top of a pile of failures that Ubi has already made with this game. At some point ppl are going to say enough is enouhg. But that is not everything. Ubi promised that this game will be the best Heroes game. This gave me and many others hope. I still have hope for this game, but it slowly gets lower and lower. And for some it's completely gone after this.
They can still fix things, but i doubt they will do it. They have a schedule to keep.

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mErEnEfErEee Свирепый
April 11, 2015 18:32:13

I am here to give feedback, so to speak. All of us, actually.

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Matooob 
April 13, 2015 16:48:21

You devs and Ubiguys know what we want... Its about you to decide, if we will get best heroes game, with best features from all series and great new ideas or you will save your money and we will save ours. So decide...

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rodaff Тень
April 13, 2015 16:53:38

It's their choice now, aim for greatness or settle with mediocrity.

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guest-Rje384Hi Таинственный
April 14, 2015 22:48:27

It's up to devs and Ubis what to do for this game and up to users whether to buy it or not.

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Lizard_Warrior 
April 11, 2015 12:16:56

Scrap spiderpolis, it's an insult to the series, then use the resources to make a better skill system.

#SS or maybe #SSSS because Nazis

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Someborednerd Бродяга
April 11, 2015 12:23:17

Spider Cult should stay in Heroes 7, in order to explore its potential, which is kind of what Heroes 6 wasn't successful at doing.

Even timeline-wise it fits, so please. There'll be no spider religion in the next game, so stop whining about this one.

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Lizard_Warrior 
April 11, 2015 12:25:17

How many shoots do they have to make to "Properly explore its full potential". If 2 times it wasn't enough, then they shouldn't try at all

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Lizard_Warrior 
April 11, 2015 12:26:37

Also it doesn't fits timeline-wise, it's after the war of the broken staff, so there should be no spider cult, but because it's "a story from the past" they again present Erwan's cult in its spider glory

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Someborednerd Бродяга
April 11, 2015 12:29:59

What other tries were there, besides Heroes VI?

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mammothhunter3 
April 11, 2015 12:34:35

Wasn't Arantir a spider cultist as well?

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Someborednerd Бродяга
April 11, 2015 13:03:18

He restored the Spider Cult post-Heroes V, but it wasn't there for about 150 years. It's already dissolved during Ivan's war, actually.

Spider Cult was non-existent prior to Heroes VI's 'Hear of Nightmares' scenario. Most of the Necromancers were somewhat dedicated to Asha at the time, but they regardless were more of researchers than cultists.

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Matooob 
April 11, 2015 16:07:16

"He restored the Spider Cult post-Heroes V, but it wasn't there for about 150 years" Hope that doesnt mean we will see this crap again. Its one of the worst parts of the game, with this dumb skilltree, no abilities for Necro and in general low number and poor townscreens what we should enjoy? The prize?

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Matooob 
April 11, 2015 16:12:24

*price

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Someborednerd Бродяга
April 11, 2015 16:29:59

@Matoob:
Arantir died in Dark Messiah, so Spider Cult might very well fall again.

@kartelis:
In this community, "dumb" = "has a different view than me", so your comment, while not welcome, was kind of expected.

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rodaff Тень
April 11, 2015 22:49:57

This game is set to be a failure, at least I'm happy that my favorite faction (Necropolis) won't appear in it. Should be a bit depressing for the fans of this new Spiderpolis faction, every time it was included the game was awful

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