behemoth97
#GiveUsRandomSkills
#GURS
22violetcoffee
vote rather not. I want random skills so bad... JUST MAKE IT HAPPEN DEVS
25Black_Weaver Палач
behemoth97, isn't it confirmed already? If not, I join the movement!
#GURS
30GalaadleHaut Герой
-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqJ33kQKUkY#t=18m0 --
30GalaadleHaut Герой
Sorry I meant
-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqJ33kQKUkY#t=18m0 --
#GURS
25logical.dust
I am afraid that problem also is at the core of the skill system design. If they design system to be nonrandom, it may turn out to be very bad if you just turn random ON. Skill system must be designed first with random system in mind and then with option to turn random OFF. If I imagine diablo 2 with random skillpoint allocation that would be so terrible. This would explain why is ubi so blind and deaf about this topic. Someone there just already decided and insist on remaking H6 catastrophe.
14Aseved Страж
well, #GURS be it then... Seems it has got quite popular already ;)
11sanpikk1979
I think random skill more enjoyable than other...
23SlumbrousShip5 Свирепый
Random skills == best way to play scenarios and multiplayer maps
Non random == best way to play campaign....for some
Don't make the game revolved around the campaign!
24RRick_CZ Триумфатор
+1. Let´s write this under every article and maybe they will finally realize what is important for a Heroes game
25logical.dust
Well they see it for sure, but they are choosing to ignore it. Or perhaps they want us to get mad, get most attention possible and then mercifully present their random system which they were working on from the start. This way more people write posts to forum ... good way how to make hype.
20ChrisD.1 Безумец
I think this is more important than everything!
WE NEED RANDOM SKILL SYSTEM (Heroes 5 style)
come on people we need to make this happen!
30EnergyW Хитрец
I think it has been declated by Twich video they will make random system, along with the abilities from H5.
21bjarked Советник
Only if they thing we have nagged enough about it.
20ChrisD.1 Безумец
what? i thought it was stated otherwise that they are thinking of not wanting to do the random thing again and lean more towards the H6 style! can anyone confirm?
23SlumbrousShip5 Свирепый
During the video they had a h5 kind of skill wheel but it was random
23SlumbrousShip5 Свирепый
At least that is what HC forums said
21bjarked Советник
They said that they are going to make a random skill system where you have full control off everything, but we don't know what that means. but they also said that if a lot of people say they wont random skills they would make it as an option.
#GURS
30GalaadleHaut Герой
Confirmed info is : -- Hero Skills / Abilities system will be a mix between Heroes 6 (full control) and H5 (skills are structured in a wheel). Skills / abilities will not be offered at random.--
However and indeed :
-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqJ33kQKUkY#t=18m0 --
24RRick_CZ Триумфатор
Lets pretend they didn´t say that. There´s still a chance for random skillwheel !!!
30GalaadleHaut Герой
@RRick_CZ : If you had listened up to 40 seconds you'd see there IS still a chance for random skills :)
so #GURS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
24RRick_CZ Триумфатор
That´s what Im saying - there´s still a chance...
28Chiasa Безумец
Random skill system was an inseparable element of the series, what made the older games so replayable, each hero unique, the ultimate skills truly awesome. Removing it was the greatest insult the franchise suffered when the abomination that H6 was was released.
Heroes survived H4's failure, moving to Ashan, change of title and will survive purple Dungeon, but not this blasphemy.
Limbic save the Heroes
#GURS
20ChrisD.1 Безумец
indeed!
but if they want to reduce replayability so we buy the next installment more quickly?:P or a dlc because we are alredy bored? that would be evil:P
28Chiasa Безумец
But now we saw through them and we wont :> not until we get a worthy successor to H3 :3
22violetcoffee
Yes I have trust in Limbic. As I remember Black Hole went bankrupt after H6... so lets not repeat their mistakes...
25logical.dust
@ ChrisD.1 : well If I get bored by game I usually dont intend to buy any datadisks, which is exactly what happened at H6. Addictive / replayable game tends to have better sales from expansions (wow). So besides being evil it would be also very stupid and naive. Unfortunatelly nobody from ubi ever explained why they made that decision. I really would like to know. Also I would like to know name of person who approved it.
22Niwroc Древний
I disliked Heroes 6 so much that I bought none of the dlc's so if they intentionally made a bad game I would buy none of its DLC's either and it would basically kill the franchise for me. So it would both be evil an foolish.
20Anemesis Мародер
Will there be different AI personality types like in the older games? (Warrior, builder, explorer)
20Antarius90 Таинственный
Good question! And I add... how many different difficulties there will be? #GURS
19LichRotkiv Советник
If there is no random skill, than it will be only one... n00b difficulty
20Antarius90 Таинственный
I can not believe that AI 6 years is better than 2014
18Alalaika Преданный
#GiveUsRandomSkills
#GURS
Come on guys, let them hear what we all want !!
30EnergyW Хитрец
You know that all of you are posting in a wrong place... the idea of Sylvan revote has been skipped, so you'd have more chance sending direct e-mails to the producers/developers instead, rather than spam here in which a couple of devs read/watch.
23Kaanzakin Бродяга
Maybe but they said that we should cry and nag enough before they put random skills in the game, so we are crying and nagging :)
20Antarius90 Таинственный
Random skills, and more number of maps , would make Heroes VII one of the best editions.
20Antarius90 Таинственный
I'm saying "normal maps" , not campaign maps. Im still dream with the lot of maps in Heroes III ...
21bjarked Советник
They were able to make it in H5 so i can't see why they would not be able to make it in H7
#GURS
20Anemesis Мародер
Scenario maps? I really missed that from the recent games where you only get 5-10, older games had so many. I'm hoping we'll have mod support and can download user created scenarios if there isn't enough time/budget for the team to make them themselves
21bjarked Советник
As long as they don't force you to pick specific faction. that was really annoying. i think you should be able to play as any faction you wont on any map. but yes in H5 and H6
#GURS
21Raenus Свирепый
I could try and explain my reasoning about why random skills are necessary for a good Heroes game, but honestly ramborusina has explained it far better and more eloquently than I ever could. Ayone interested in a well thought out and thoroughly informative read about the pros of random vs non-random skill should read his bio.
https://mmh7.ubi.com/en/profile/ramborusina
@ramborusina: I am thoroughly impressed by the amount of work and thought you put into your arguments. Well done sir.
21Raenus Свирепый
*grumble* stupid *grumblegrumble* lack of edit button *grumble*
Anyone interested in a well thought out*
9vitaldeath89
He has a lot of really good points. I think it would be really fun to see some really unique skills come from less popular skill trees in case of bad luck, or even multiple ultimate ability trees, to add more fun and less of a disadvantage when your opponent rolls better than you. H5 had a lot of really bad skills from non-ultimate tree combos, and some pretty good, we would need less bad. One thing I didn't like from non-random was the time it took to choose if you hadn't played much.
9vitaldeath89
I meant multiple ultimate abilities through different paths. Of course you could only have one. Something will always be better no matter what, but like I said less of a disadvantage would be nice. Also might be hard to have every possible set of rolls result in an ultimate ability. It would be fun to see what they could do with a non-homogenized random skill tree, not destruction/leadership/light, etc, for everyone, but even adding a twist to those for each faction, so long as it's good is fun.
17mkthabet Свирепый
Any level-headed HoMM fan would instantly acknowledge the merits of random skills. It's a shame some people need convincing in the first place, and it's more of a shame that these people include game designers.
20Banszien Советник
I really hope devs will read ramborusina"s bio, it really is the best summary of the topic. We NEED random skills!
24BeYo_OnD Древний
The Arcane Eagle/Simurgh are good names and the descriptions are awesome. I expect this Champion to play a very interesting role in the Academy line-up.
24Stormhelico Таинственный
What we want? Random Skills! And when we want it? Right now!
You know it is better system. You know you really want it.
You can feel it, in the air. You know you can have it.
It's near. It's beautiful. It's awesome. So,
What we want? Random Skills! And when we want it? Right now!
#GURS
20Tokusatsu Безумец
Put the random option AND the non-random option together in game... One button to select or unselect the preferred option! Simple! And everybody will be happy
#GURS to contributes with people who loves random skills (I preferred non-random)
9garik256 Тень
some people don't so fuck off. Make two versions developers
24Stormhelico Таинственный
I haven't insult to the others. So don't insult ;)
23Kaanzakin Бродяга
@Stormhelico
Nvm. him he is just an unsuccesful troll, he can't annoy people properly, no one really replies to him xD
30GalaadleHaut Герой
@Kaanzakin : Unsuccessful troll =)))))))))) How low can you get lol
23Kaanzakin Бродяга
@GalaadleHaut
Right? I mean Jeremiah is a succesful troll, he can make people angry and make them argue about stupid stuff for a long time but this guy garik256; even himself doesn't care about him... :D
30GalaadleHaut Герой
but he still got the toilet rank in my book ))))))))
23Kaanzakin Бродяга
-Guys, what do we want?
- We want RANDOM SKILL SYSTEM!
-HELL YEAH!
14arcanus96 Тень
So they used a magical bird from persian mythology, fitting and original at the same time, excellent work! I can't wait to see the abilities and the other factions.
23Kaanzakin Бродяга
Alright community as a doctor i'm going to prescribe you a 'give no fuckomycin' you will use it daily until garik and other trolls get the hell out of here and never come back again.
30mediczero Молот судьбы
Not sure if I need to, I think I'm biulding up a resitiance for trolls...
23Kaanzakin Бродяга
@mediczero
You seem to be relaxed person and you don't seem to bothered by these trolls too much :D On the other hand they actually annoy people and start stupid arguments then watch the chaos from a safe distance. Like you i don't really care about them but i want to see constructive discussions not 'troll trigered discussions'. So members(including us) should not give attention tı these guys until they return to their pathetic lives. :)
30mediczero Молот судьбы
@Kaanzakin
Well said! Troll go home, so we can have some interested dicussions!
24KhanOfSlaughter Завоеватель
mediczero has had plenty of experience dealing with trolls on here lol
30mediczero Молот судьбы
@KhanOfSlaughter
I have? Hmm interesting... and probably true...
4MedusaFeminist
trolls are part of the patriarchy. If you are against toxic masculinity, you are against trolls.
30mediczero Молот судьбы
@MedusaFeminist
Funny, because you are nothing better than the trolls...
30GalaadleHaut Герой
From famous quotes :
"If you're not slamming your fist into the desk over the injustice of the game, then you have failed at making a good Heroes game."
#GURS
21bjarked Советник
I wont to make an hash tag #GURS (give us random skills)
Put this and the end of every comment you make if you wont random skills. to show the developers that we are many how wants this. because the problem with just liking a comment is that it get forgotten, put with this hash tag every one will consistently be reminded that we want this. with out spamming the site.
#GURS
23SlumbrousShip5 Свирепый
Good idea, hope I remeber to do it
#GURS
BeYo_OnD ДревнийNovember 24, 2014 19:30:32
JOIN THE #GURS MOVEMENT!!
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ GIVE US RANDOM SKILLS (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ
Come on devs, at least let us vote for it!