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BeYo_OnD Древний
November 24, 2014 19:30:32

JOIN THE #GURS MOVEMENT!!

(づ。◕‿‿◕。)づ GIVE US RANDOM SKILLS (づ。◕‿‿◕。)づ

Come on devs, at least let us vote for it!

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behemoth97 
November 24, 2014 19:34:26

#GiveUsRandomSkills

#GURS

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violetcoffee 
November 24, 2014 19:44:38

vote rather not. I want random skills so bad... JUST MAKE IT HAPPEN DEVS

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Black_Weaver Палач
November 24, 2014 19:46:21

You mean random skills for heroes?

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GalaadleHaut Герой
November 24, 2014 19:46:44

#GURS

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behemoth97 
November 24, 2014 19:52:24

Black_Weaver

Yes, just like before H6

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Black_Weaver Палач
November 24, 2014 19:54:45

behemoth97, isn't it confirmed already? If not, I join the movement!

#GURS

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GalaadleHaut Герой
November 24, 2014 19:55:52

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqJ33kQKUkY#t=18m0 --

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GalaadleHaut Герой
November 24, 2014 19:57:44

Sorry I meant

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqJ33kQKUkY#t=18m0 --

#GURS

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logical.dust 
November 24, 2014 20:05:15

I am afraid that problem also is at the core of the skill system design. If they design system to be nonrandom, it may turn out to be very bad if you just turn random ON. Skill system must be designed first with random system in mind and then with option to turn random OFF. If I imagine diablo 2 with random skillpoint allocation that would be so terrible. This would explain why is ubi so blind and deaf about this topic. Someone there just already decided and insist on remaking H6 catastrophe.

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Aseved Страж
November 24, 2014 23:21:58

well, #GURS be it then... Seems it has got quite popular already ;)

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EmeraldPhoenix 
November 25, 2014 19:50:04

#GURS FTW!!! =D =D

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sanpikk1979 
November 26, 2014 16:46:40

I think random skill more enjoyable than other...

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bjarked Советник
November 24, 2014 18:41:46

#GiveUsRandomSkills

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SlumbrousShip5 Свирепый
November 24, 2014 18:43:32

Random skills == back to the roots

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behemoth97 
November 24, 2014 18:45:19

For god's sake, yes!

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sur3thing 
November 24, 2014 18:49:01

no random skills - another H6-like crap

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SlumbrousShip5 Свирепый
November 24, 2014 18:55:02

Random skills == best way to play scenarios and multiplayer maps

Non random == best way to play campaign....for some

Don't make the game revolved around the campaign!

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RRick_CZ Триумфатор
November 24, 2014 19:15:37

+1. Let´s write this under every article and maybe they will finally realize what is important for a Heroes game

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Brackenwood. Таинственный
November 24, 2014 19:29:01

#GURS !! :) please dev'

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logical.dust 
November 24, 2014 21:17:24

Well they see it for sure, but they are choosing to ignore it. Or perhaps they want us to get mad, get most attention possible and then mercifully present their random system which they were working on from the start. This way more people write posts to forum ... good way how to make hype.

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ChrisD.1 Безумец
November 24, 2014 18:54:23

I think this is more important than everything!
WE NEED RANDOM SKILL SYSTEM (Heroes 5 style)
come on people we need to make this happen!

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EnergyW Хитрец
November 24, 2014 18:57:17

I think it has been declated by Twich video they will make random system, along with the abilities from H5.

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bjarked Советник
November 24, 2014 18:59:28

Only if they thing we have nagged enough about it.

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ChrisD.1 Безумец
November 24, 2014 18:59:29

what? i thought it was stated otherwise that they are thinking of not wanting to do the random thing again and lean more towards the H6 style! can anyone confirm?

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SlumbrousShip5 Свирепый
November 24, 2014 19:00:15

During the video they had a h5 kind of skill wheel but it was random

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SlumbrousShip5 Свирепый
November 24, 2014 19:00:45

At least that is what HC forums said

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bjarked Советник
November 24, 2014 19:06:41

They said that they are going to make a random skill system where you have full control off everything, but we don't know what that means. but they also said that if a lot of people say they wont random skills they would make it as an option.

#GURS

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GalaadleHaut Герой
November 24, 2014 19:07:57

Confirmed info is : -- Hero Skills / Abilities system will be a mix between Heroes 6 (full control) and H5 (skills are structured in a wheel). Skills / abilities will not be offered at random.--

However and indeed :

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqJ33kQKUkY#t=18m0 --

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GalaadleHaut Герой
November 24, 2014 19:08:20

#GURS

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RRick_CZ Триумфатор
November 24, 2014 19:23:14

Lets pretend they didn´t say that. There´s still a chance for random skillwheel !!!

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GalaadleHaut Герой
November 24, 2014 19:40:03

@RRick_CZ : If you had listened up to 40 seconds you'd see there IS still a chance for random skills :)

so #GURS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RRick_CZ Триумфатор
November 24, 2014 19:45:30

That´s what Im saying - there´s still a chance...

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GalaadleHaut Герой
November 24, 2014 19:50:46

Ok nvm I misunderstood, #GURS !!!!!

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Chiasa Безумец
November 24, 2014 20:25:57

Random skill system was an inseparable element of the series, what made the older games so replayable, each hero unique, the ultimate skills truly awesome. Removing it was the greatest insult the franchise suffered when the abomination that H6 was was released.
Heroes survived H4's failure, moving to Ashan, change of title and will survive purple Dungeon, but not this blasphemy.
Limbic save the Heroes
#GURS

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ChrisD.1 Безумец
November 24, 2014 20:28:29

indeed!
but if they want to reduce replayability so we buy the next installment more quickly?:P or a dlc because we are alredy bored? that would be evil:P

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GalaadleHaut Герой
November 24, 2014 20:31:17

#GURS

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Chiasa Безумец
November 24, 2014 20:31:29

But now we saw through them and we wont :> not until we get a worthy successor to H3 :3

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jshalky Могучий
November 24, 2014 20:32:59

#GURS

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violetcoffee 
November 24, 2014 20:34:55

Yes I have trust in Limbic. As I remember Black Hole went bankrupt after H6... so lets not repeat their mistakes...

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mediczero Молот судьбы
November 24, 2014 20:35:25

#AllFactionsForGURS

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SlumbrousShip5 Свирепый
November 24, 2014 20:35:27

#GURS

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logical.dust 
November 24, 2014 20:38:44

@ ChrisD.1 : well If I get bored by game I usually dont intend to buy any datadisks, which is exactly what happened at H6. Addictive / replayable game tends to have better sales from expansions (wow). So besides being evil it would be also very stupid and naive. Unfortunatelly nobody from ubi ever explained why they made that decision. I really would like to know. Also I would like to know name of person who approved it.

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Niwroc Древний
November 24, 2014 23:02:20

I disliked Heroes 6 so much that I bought none of the dlc's so if they intentionally made a bad game I would buy none of its DLC's either and it would basically kill the franchise for me. So it would both be evil an foolish.

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Niwroc Древний
November 24, 2014 23:02:34

Almost forgot, #GURS

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Anemesis Мародер
November 24, 2014 19:59:14

Will there be different AI personality types like in the older games? (Warrior, builder, explorer)

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behemoth97 
November 24, 2014 20:00:38

This idea need more love.

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Anemesis Мародер
November 24, 2014 20:02:52

It'd be nice if they didn't cheat too!

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Antarius90 Таинственный
November 24, 2014 20:02:53

Good question! And I add... how many different difficulties there will be? #GURS

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LichRotkiv Советник
November 24, 2014 20:06:42

If there is no random skill, than it will be only one... n00b difficulty

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Antarius90 Таинственный
November 24, 2014 20:15:26

I can not believe that AI 6 years is better than 2014

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Najakir Криган
November 24, 2014 20:22:55

Yes, it would be fun !

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Anemesis Мародер
November 24, 2014 20:29:08

AI from 18 years ago is better...

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Alalaika Преданный
November 24, 2014 19:12:36

#GiveUsRandomSkills
#GURS

Come on guys, let them hear what we all want !!

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EnergyW Хитрец
November 24, 2014 19:15:54

You know that all of you are posting in a wrong place... the idea of Sylvan revote has been skipped, so you'd have more chance sending direct e-mails to the producers/developers instead, rather than spam here in which a couple of devs read/watch.

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Kaanzakin Бродяга
November 24, 2014 19:26:17

Maybe but they said that we should cry and nag enough before they put random skills in the game, so we are crying and nagging :)

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Kaanzakin Бродяга
November 24, 2014 19:27:02

Ah and before i forget
#GURS

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Brackenwood. Таинственный
November 24, 2014 19:27:53

#GURS YEAAH

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Chiasa Безумец
November 24, 2014 19:52:52

Bring HoMM back to its former glory

#GURS

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Antarius90 Таинственный
November 24, 2014 19:42:10

Random skills, and more number of maps , would make Heroes VII one of the best editions.

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GalaadleHaut Герой
November 24, 2014 19:43:32

#GURS

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GalaadleHaut Герой
November 24, 2014 19:43:36

#GURS

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Antarius90 Таинственный
November 24, 2014 19:43:56

I'm saying "normal maps" , not campaign maps. Im still dream with the lot of maps in Heroes III ...

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bjarked Советник
November 24, 2014 19:46:59

They were able to make it in H5 so i can't see why they would not be able to make it in H7

#GURS

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Anemesis Мародер
November 24, 2014 19:50:34

Scenario maps? I really missed that from the recent games where you only get 5-10, older games had so many. I'm hoping we'll have mod support and can download user created scenarios if there isn't enough time/budget for the team to make them themselves

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bjarked Советник
November 24, 2014 19:55:01

As long as they don't force you to pick specific faction. that was really annoying. i think you should be able to play as any faction you wont on any map. but yes in H5 and H6

#GURS

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Raenus Свирепый
November 25, 2014 21:05:02

I could try and explain my reasoning about why random skills are necessary for a good Heroes game, but honestly ramborusina has explained it far better and more eloquently than I ever could. Ayone interested in a well thought out and thoroughly informative read about the pros of random vs non-random skill should read his bio.

https://mmh7.ubi.com/en/profile/ramborusina

@ramborusina: I am thoroughly impressed by the amount of work and thought you put into your arguments. Well done sir.

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GalaadleHaut Герой
November 25, 2014 21:10:02

I wholeheartedly agree.

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Raenus Свирепый
November 25, 2014 21:23:59

*grumble* stupid *grumblegrumble* lack of edit button *grumble*

Anyone interested in a well thought out*

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vitaldeath89 
November 25, 2014 21:28:59

He has a lot of really good points. I think it would be really fun to see some really unique skills come from less popular skill trees in case of bad luck, or even multiple ultimate ability trees, to add more fun and less of a disadvantage when your opponent rolls better than you. H5 had a lot of really bad skills from non-ultimate tree combos, and some pretty good, we would need less bad. One thing I didn't like from non-random was the time it took to choose if you hadn't played much.

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vitaldeath89 
November 25, 2014 21:40:42

I meant multiple ultimate abilities through different paths. Of course you could only have one. Something will always be better no matter what, but like I said less of a disadvantage would be nice. Also might be hard to have every possible set of rolls result in an ultimate ability. It would be fun to see what they could do with a non-homogenized random skill tree, not destruction/leadership/light, etc, for everyone, but even adding a twist to those for each faction, so long as it's good is fun.

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mkthabet Свирепый
November 26, 2014 00:09:58

Any level-headed HoMM fan would instantly acknowledge the merits of random skills. It's a shame some people need convincing in the first place, and it's more of a shame that these people include game designers.

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Banszien Советник
November 26, 2014 00:30:28

I really hope devs will read ramborusina"s bio, it really is the best summary of the topic. We NEED random skills!

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BeYo_OnD Древний
November 24, 2014 18:09:50

The Arcane Eagle/Simurgh are good names and the descriptions are awesome. I expect this Champion to play a very interesting role in the Academy line-up.

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Stormhelico Таинственный
November 25, 2014 12:28:00

What we want? Random Skills! And when we want it? Right now!
You know it is better system. You know you really want it.
You can feel it, in the air. You know you can have it.
It's near. It's beautiful. It's awesome. So,
What we want? Random Skills! And when we want it? Right now!

#GURS

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Tokusatsu Безумец
November 25, 2014 12:33:31

Put the random option AND the non-random option together in game... One button to select or unselect the preferred option! Simple! And everybody will be happy

#GURS to contributes with people who loves random skills (I preferred non-random)

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Stormhelico Таинственный
November 25, 2014 12:40:58

It's other way, yes.

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garik256 Тень
November 25, 2014 12:49:53

some people don't so fuck off. Make two versions developers

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Stormhelico Таинственный
November 25, 2014 12:51:04

I haven't insult to the others. So don't insult ;)

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Kaanzakin Бродяга
November 25, 2014 12:53:50

@Stormhelico
Nvm. him he is just an unsuccesful troll, he can't annoy people properly, no one really replies to him xD

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GalaadleHaut Герой
November 25, 2014 12:54:52

@Kaanzakin : Unsuccessful troll =)))))))))) How low can you get lol

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Kaanzakin Бродяга
November 25, 2014 12:57:34

@GalaadleHaut
Right? I mean Jeremiah is a succesful troll, he can make people angry and make them argue about stupid stuff for a long time but this guy garik256; even himself doesn't care about him... :D

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GalaadleHaut Герой
November 25, 2014 13:00:07

but he still got the toilet rank in my book ))))))))

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Kaanzakin Бродяга
November 24, 2014 19:15:43

-Guys, what do we want?
- We want RANDOM SKILL SYSTEM!
-HELL YEAH!

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GalaadleHaut Герой
November 24, 2014 19:16:43

#GURS

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mediczero Молот судьбы
November 24, 2014 19:17:02

RANDOM SKILL TREE!!!

#GURS

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Brackenwood. Таинственный
November 24, 2014 19:29:46

#GURS !!

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arcanus96 Тень
November 24, 2014 18:09:51

So they used a magical bird from persian mythology, fitting and original at the same time, excellent work! I can't wait to see the abilities and the other factions.

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Kaanzakin Бродяга
November 26, 2014 11:40:15

Alright community as a doctor i'm going to prescribe you a 'give no fuckomycin' you will use it daily until garik and other trolls get the hell out of here and never come back again.

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mediczero Молот судьбы
November 26, 2014 11:44:25

Not sure if I need to, I think I'm biulding up a resitiance for trolls...

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Kaanzakin Бродяга
November 26, 2014 11:49:16

@mediczero
You seem to be relaxed person and you don't seem to bothered by these trolls too much :D On the other hand they actually annoy people and start stupid arguments then watch the chaos from a safe distance. Like you i don't really care about them but i want to see constructive discussions not 'troll trigered discussions'. So members(including us) should not give attention tı these guys until they return to their pathetic lives. :)

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mediczero Молот судьбы
November 26, 2014 11:57:37

@Kaanzakin

Well said! Troll go home, so we can have some interested dicussions!

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KhanOfSlaughter Завоеватель
November 26, 2014 12:00:44

mediczero has had plenty of experience dealing with trolls on here lol

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mediczero Молот судьбы
November 26, 2014 12:02:51

@KhanOfSlaughter

I have? Hmm interesting... and probably true...

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MedusaFeminist 
November 26, 2014 12:30:19

trolls are part of the patriarchy. If you are against toxic masculinity, you are against trolls.

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mediczero Молот судьбы
November 26, 2014 12:42:04

@MedusaFeminist

Funny, because you are nothing better than the trolls...

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GalaadleHaut Герой
November 25, 2014 00:13:00

From famous quotes :

"If you're not slamming your fist into the desk over the injustice of the game, then you have failed at making a good Heroes game."


#GURS

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Niwroc Древний
November 25, 2014 00:28:39

Amen to that.

#GURS

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EnergyW Хитрец
November 25, 2014 01:27:48

Damn, who said that line?

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bjarked Советник
November 24, 2014 18:58:32

I wont to make an hash tag #GURS (give us random skills)
Put this and the end of every comment you make if you wont random skills. to show the developers that we are many how wants this. because the problem with just liking a comment is that it get forgotten, put with this hash tag every one will consistently be reminded that we want this. with out spamming the site.

#GURS

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SlumbrousShip5 Свирепый
November 24, 2014 19:01:12

Good idea, hope I remeber to do it

#GURS

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mediczero Молот судьбы
November 24, 2014 19:06:46

I support!

#GURS

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