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RRick_CZ Триумфатор
November 04, 2014 13:18:33

I forgot to mention one thing - PLEASE CHANGE THE ANIMATION OF BLACK DRAGONS BACK TO H5. Their flying and biting (sirously ??) was awful in H6.

If you agree, please Up-vote this comment, so the devs can see it..

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czlowiek312 
November 04, 2014 13:22:34

I agree!
I agree! May also appearance was similar to the dragons of the h5! may not have had the wings of a butterfly ...

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Banszien Советник
November 04, 2014 13:49:59

Basically all of the flying animations sucked in VI in my opinion :/ They MUST be changed!

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RRick_CZ Триумфатор
November 04, 2014 14:32:31

True, almost all flying units were screwed (harpies were ok). For me, the best Dragons were in Heroes 5, their animations were awesome ! Just make their look little more detailed and here we go !

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czlowiek312 
November 04, 2014 16:19:04

I think so too

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Heroes360X Могучий
November 04, 2014 12:21:02

@ Ubi-Nox and Kimmundi,

"purple eye" and all other evidence... I'm afraid that the Dungeon creatures will be too purple like in H6! Can you please tell us otherwise. Please don't make them all one colour!!! I can imagine most people will agree with me!!
Thx for the update!

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Dogwoggle10 
November 04, 2014 12:45:14

agree with you 100%

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Heroes360X Могучий
November 04, 2014 12:49:43

come on Kimmundi at least give me a reply ;)

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Banszien Советник
November 04, 2014 13:37:54

I think (I hope) they heared our wishes about this since the inferno/dungeon vote started, and that's why it's emphasized at the assassin's description that they wear black clothes.

But I wouldn't mind some confirmation from Kimmundi :)

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Heroes360X Могучий
November 04, 2014 13:49:29

@Banszien

yes but they have also mentioned purple a lot more so i'm really starting to worry that they will be just too purple like in H6. (perfect example the Upgraded Minotaur looked good but not in all purple)

so yes it would be great if we could get some info regarding this, but maybe i shouldn't ask but demand like some other people here :D

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Kimmundi Советник
November 04, 2014 14:09:45

Sorry, I need some Lunch breaks from time to time ;) That's a request we have heard and duly noted. Can't tell much more at the moment! But as you can see, the Hydra is far from that already!

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Heroes360X Могучий
November 04, 2014 14:13:28

@Kimmundi
Thank you thats all i wanted!! :)

another tip: but I'm guessing you've noted that too. Different hero mounts ;)

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Thranduilll Таинственный
November 04, 2014 14:25:39

@Heroes360X - BIG YES for different mounts!

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lenus1985 
November 04, 2014 22:32:58

I thought I was the only one it bothered ! This is weird but actually it bothers everyone!
I am happy that kimmundi have considered your request, this game going to be good!!

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Kimmundi Советник
November 04, 2014 11:57:47

As promised, here are some details about the creatures from the Line-Ups!

Let's take a minute to enjoy the Art for the Cave Hydra, the first official artwork for Dungeon to be revealed!

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Stormhelico Таинственный
November 04, 2014 11:59:50

Hydras are AWESOME!

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fg5 
November 04, 2014 13:37:31

amazing artwork

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KhanOfSlaughter Завоеватель
November 04, 2014 13:55:02

Will your team be looking into this vote for any duplication voting? The percentages have changed very quickly in some cases and continuously in one direction in others. I feel that there are irregularities with this vote. Will it be checked?

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Aseved Страж
November 04, 2014 21:57:38

Love the Hydra... God Old H2 memories. Will it be so slow and resistant?

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Ubi-Nox Тень смерти
November 04, 2014 14:36:06

Moreover, we continue to monitor duplicate accounts and might have to proceed to a new counting at the end of the vote. Please play the game, we will check the results anyway so the only consequence will be the delay of results.

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Mirash_ge Дракон
November 04, 2014 14:39:02

1 вариант и точка че там считать то ? Давайте на 1 варианте и закончим - с уважением ...

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pubhomm Советник
November 04, 2014 14:43:59

Mirash- :D

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BeYo_OnD Древний
November 04, 2014 14:48:36

By all means please Recount the votes. Because with this comment it is clear to me as day that even the devs are worried about cheating. If there's any indication from the Sylvan Line-up vote is that if cheating can happen, it will happen. And boy how it happened last time - massively.

+1 to Recount.

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Tarragon 
November 04, 2014 15:00:36

its sad that this happens, but its human to use every mean u have, so yes, controll is needed

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Heroes360X Могучий
November 04, 2014 15:04:05

@BeYO_OnD

of course they are worried about cheating....they'd be foolish not to!!!!!

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KhanOfSlaughter Завоеватель
November 05, 2014 09:25:56

01.11.2014 21.00 - 30% 48% 22%

02.11.2014 22.00 - 33% 41% 26%

03.11.2014 21.00 - 34% 40% 26%

04.11.2014 23.00 - 35% 33% 32%

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Cleglaw Советник
November 04, 2014 19:13:30

DEV INFO HERE GUYS! listen,

about troglodytes burrowing ability:

"Basically it means the creature can bury itself and move below the earth, under fortifications and obstacles for instance."-Marzhin

troglodyte is kind of teleporting/flying.

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SlumbrousShip5 Свирепый
November 04, 2014 19:21:28

sounds like a new/better form of invisibility

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GrayMatters Великолепный
November 04, 2014 22:58:04

All the more reason not to vote Blades I think

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Banszien Советник
November 06, 2014 08:36:37

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Elizaveta_98 Тень
November 05, 2014 23:37:37

Vote for MALASSA’S THOUSAND FACES! Vote for Medusa!

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rsurdal Криган
November 05, 2014 23:46:06

Vote for everything good, vote MALASSA’S THOUSAND FACES! Medusa needs a home, Dungeon opens there arms. At the gates fans say no. We have to make room for the unicorn, sorry your out. Medusa sad face :(

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R0CKWALL 
November 05, 2014 23:53:28

Yes i want medusas and troglodytes. This is right way inits for dungeon. Not dark elves or dark spirits.

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Sylv4n2005 Разрушитель
November 05, 2014 23:56:58

...except Ubisoft disagrees with you, they redefined the faction as of V. But yes, Faces is the best offered lineup.

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JeremiahEmo Разрушитель
November 06, 2014 00:59:20

Thousand Faces suck and Medusas are idiots.

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Whitles Тень
November 05, 2014 14:26:14

@Kimmundi
Could you add in the second stage of voting, a third, a mixed LINE-UP?
Like this:
Core creatures:
Troglodyte/Chthonian
Shadow Lurker/Shadow Watcher
Skirmisher/Darkblade

Elite creatures
Minotaur/Minotaur Guard
Medusa/Medusa Sorceress
Manticore/Scorpicore

Champion creatures
Shadow Dragon/Black Dragon
Cave Hydra/Dark Hydra

Many people will be happy with it.
Sorry for bad english

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Banszien Советник
November 05, 2014 14:27:37

This would be perfect.

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GalaadleHaut Герой
November 05, 2014 14:35:50

Yes but the problem with your lineup is that it would satisfy too many people. It's bad marketing.

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Whitles Тень
November 05, 2014 14:39:41

Only Skirmisher/Darkblade - elf. Where problem?

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Whitles Тень
November 05, 2014 14:40:46

sorry, I'm incorrectly understood. :)

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Kimmundi Советник
November 05, 2014 14:49:06

I don't think we are planning to do this to be honest, but I will share the idea with the team anyway. I really doubt we will change the process, the line-ups have been designed to be balanced in-game, this may change the parameters.

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Whitles Тень
November 05, 2014 14:50:56

Thanks for the answer

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GalaadleHaut Герой
November 05, 2014 14:51:55

@Kimmundi : The team needs to learn from its mistakes. Creatures comes first, gameplay is done according to them. If you do it the other way around we will only end up with mediocre results.

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Alalaika Преданный
November 05, 2014 15:03:57

i would definitly vote for it, if this was a real line-up !

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Misha12010 
November 05, 2014 15:06:39

Below I've posted a variant of this line-up. It features 2 elven units (in order to keep it more balanced).
Core: Troglodyte/Chtonian
Stalker/Traker
Beholder/Evil Eyes
Elite: Medusa/Medusa Queen
Shadow Priestess/Shadow Zealot (like in HOMM 5)
Minotaur/Minotaur Guard
Champion: Manticore/Scorpicore
Black Dragon/Shadow Dragon

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Stormhelico Таинственный
November 05, 2014 15:07:11

I love this too

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madaosoul 
November 05, 2014 15:11:45

Damn! This looks sweet as hell. But as Kimmundi said, it may be a little bit too overpowered. In core there's one burrower, one shooter and one dps, in elite one flyer, one shooter and one dps. Almost too versatile to be real, so probably lower stats would be price for that. Let's think if we would want that.
But you're totally right, many people will be delighted with such alternative.

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GalaadleHaut Герой
November 05, 2014 15:15:42

Misha's ineup is lacking Hydras :(
The #alternative that got the most upvotes should get considered.

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logical.dust 
November 05, 2014 15:20:11

@ Kimmundi : you speak as if game was already balanced before even voting is over ... you dont even have pictures of some units ... balance argument was one and only argument for H6 nonsence ... please dont repeat that again.

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Misha12010 
November 05, 2014 15:29:21

Have to admit, I like this. But still...Hydras ?

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Galacticcafe 
November 06, 2014 00:26:41

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November 05, 2014 17:09:31

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Alalaika Преданный
November 05, 2014 17:11:12

@Cleglaw

See :D

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bjarked Советник
November 05, 2014 17:19:42

You do know that blade will never win the second vote, right ?
if face looses i'm going to vote shield and i think every one else in the face camp will do the same.
and the same goes for the shield fans is they loose they will vote fore face so it is like 66%(face/shield) vs 33%(blade)

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Cleglaw Советник
November 05, 2014 17:29:50

@Alalaika

LOL

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RobvD84 Безумец
November 05, 2014 19:10:29

@bjarked I think you will be suprised about that. I think it will be very close. Unless the devs come up with some bullshit.

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Kimarous Великолепный
November 05, 2014 05:08:03

I'd much rather see the Faceless indirectly involving themselves through Strider puppets, rather than risk death by personally taking to the field. They're an endangered species, if not a full-on dying race; they can't afford to get directly involved.

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Loki.22 
November 05, 2014 05:28:05

o.O lol... Is this really your opinion? Or you just created an excuse to defend Striders now?
By this logic, we should eliminate wizards from academy... they might be too fragile, let's just keep their golems on the battlefield. Unless wizards start to breed like rabbits, they shouldn't be on battlefield.

And dragons are also rare, maybe we should make an ambiental control to preserve them, removing all dragons from the game... seriously? ¬¬

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Raenus Свирепый
November 05, 2014 05:36:31

Both dragons and wizards can reproduce whereas the Faceless alive in this day are the last of their kind. They have no way to recoup losses. No way to make more Faceless. But hey lets send them out there into the thick of battle why not?

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Loki.22 
November 05, 2014 05:52:42

@Reanus
"let's remove an unit from the game, because of ambiental control."
It's the worst argument I ever read in this forum. It's like saying: "I'll never leave my room, because I might get some disease or die in an accident"

It sounds like a cheap excuse to exclude an good unit, imo. As the appearance of units in the battlefield is more metaphorical.

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Kimarous Великолепный
November 05, 2014 06:05:00

@Loki - Uh, YES, that is really my opinion. I've felt since SoD that including Faceless as a proper unit - especially an Elite tier with a multi-unit growth rate - does not coincide with the lore's assertions that the Angels killed most of them off.

Dragons and Academy wizards don't even compare because they at least breed. Wizards are an entire civilization and dragons at least have a mitigated growth rate on account of being Champions.

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wasd1200 Бродяга
November 05, 2014 06:27:56

Why send the last members of this spechies directly on the battlefield,if we could have them as a warfare unit instead of the ballista,btw they even belong there,since they prefer to act from behind the lines.

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JedynyHex Могучий
November 05, 2014 11:18:30

Purely gameplay wise Strider has better and more interesting abilities:
"...their main role is actually to disrupt and negate the enemy’s magic."
"shadowsteel construct with debuff ABILITIES".
where Faceless has only strike and return:
"teleporter with strike and return ability. Damage dealer."
If he has more abilities he wouldn't be damage dealer but saboteur as Black Dragon who always had powerfull attack (and AoE damage) but he has more abilities so his role is saboteur not damage dealer.

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RRick_CZ Триумфатор
November 04, 2014 16:24:44

INSPIRATION FOR UBISOFT

SHADOW DRAGON

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/219/9/a/9a9f97500bdbf13dfddc1e1b61ace8bf-d6h59lm.jpg

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RRick_CZ Триумфатор
November 04, 2014 16:25:24

Say NO to H6 dragons ! We want a real champion

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Kaanzakin Бродяга
November 04, 2014 16:26:48

Excatly, enough of butterfly dragons! But Hydras look really good i give my +1 for that.

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Luhorox 
November 04, 2014 16:53:33

LOL, no thank you. I'd take Galaxy/Cosmic Dragon over typical Purple Dragon any day.

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lenus1985 
November 04, 2014 22:46:05

No thanks ,better "organic" dragons instead of mega magical purple dragons

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JedynyHex Могучий
November 05, 2014 12:18:04

Peaople he meant overall appearance not purple colour, I guess.

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RRick_CZ Триумфатор
November 05, 2014 16:31:22

Yea, just except "mega magical purple dragon" was exactly what they made in H6 ...

Though I agree it looks a bit undead, what do you expect from dungeon ? Lovely colorful fairie dragons ?
I would be even ok if they just take the Black Dragon model from H5 and copy it in H7, it was great, especialy the animations.

Damn, I´m taking anything instead of that butterfly mess..

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Loki.22 
November 05, 2014 22:32:04

Vote for me! I'm naked and got a lot of love to give.

<3

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Mr.Rain Безумец
November 05, 2014 22:38:02

You have my vote!
Now pediment against each other our bodies coated with oil: P

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Cleglaw Советник
November 05, 2014 22:34:34

vote shield

+all line-ups are offensive, shield included.
+real underground creatures like trog, lurker/evil eye, manticore while having new creature like faceless controlled construct strider, and dark elf units from H5-H6. perfect mix of old&new.
+ best color variation, color range, no more purple in all screen.
+ flying, teleporting, tanking, damage dealing, no retaliation, debuffing, ranged shooting.. best variety of abilities/skills/comboes.
+lorewise best option

(Repost)

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Cleglaw Советник
November 05, 2014 22:35:52

+MTS is low on flying creatures
+Blade is low on tank creatures.
+Shield has all of them in a good combination.

+Neither blade nor MTS got debuffing abilities like Shield do. Shield has 4 debuffing creatures for amazing comboes and maybe the most strong hitting capability.

+Good luck about color variation in Blade with 3+ elves. Shield is clearly got rid of that problem.

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Cleglaw Советник
November 05, 2014 22:36:28

+Faceless creatures are intelligent and they are low on number, using strider as unit in actual combat is much more logical then letting faceless go in melee in battle. Shield is much more logical then Blade.

+Troglodytes with its lore, 1000 years of underground living and digging for dungeon to surface, to below is perfect for creating stories about dungeon! if dungeon has trogs then they can dig tunnels to anywhere they want on ashan/under ashan! another perfect unit in lorewise!

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Cleglaw Советник
November 05, 2014 22:37:03

+Shield and Mts have the ONLY insectoid creature in WHOLE GAME. another perfect contribute to variety. blade again, not suprised, dont have this.

+Manticores are fast and flying, and you already have strider to tank enemy. you go fly your manticore to enemy shooters or to alone enemies to hunt them down. even one hit will be enough because they also apply poison.

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bjarked Советник
November 05, 2014 22:37:30

agree but faces is still better, with better shooters, sheath and no purple eye.
but no flying i think that is a better trade off. but as long as blade does not win i'm happy

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Cleglaw Советник
November 05, 2014 22:37:54

choosing black dragon is a late game thing, you would be without flying if you wait for black dragons in MTS.

+you can only have a tank if you pick hydra in Blade, which is again, in late game.

+both line ups, MTS and Blade, are "not really" free in their champion selection because of their line-ups.

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Cleglaw Советник
November 05, 2014 22:38:23

+also to mention: you have access to 2 shooters in army in first week! thing how fast you will clear natural creatures in first weeks/early game without maybe even a single loss! only shield offers that!


VOTE FOR SHIELD, PEOPLE OF DUNGEON!

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Qanger Великолепный
November 05, 2014 22:39:02

Finally someone with some reasonable arguments and not ,,MEDUSAS ARE NAGAS" shit.

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bjarked Советник
November 05, 2014 22:40:16

faces and shield has the same number of debuffs. because assassin will probably have poison when upgraded and Medusa has that "mesmerizing ability" with is more or less also a debuff ability.

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Sylv4n2005 Разрушитель
November 05, 2014 22:40:53

"VOTE FOR SHIELD, PEOPLE OF DUNGEON!"

No. In fact, you didn't even support Dungeon through the Inferno vote unless it was H3 Dungeon's revival.

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darioio 
November 05, 2014 22:41:06

Faces is still better

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Hoptimist 
November 05, 2014 22:43:42

Nice describtion of shield just as how i thought of shield to be :)

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Qanger Великолепный
November 05, 2014 22:52:58

@Sylv4n2005 - So what? He can't change his view?

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Taranri Таинственный
November 05, 2014 22:53:36

Your arguments are actually quite valid.

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Cleglaw Советник
November 05, 2014 22:56:43

@bjarked

Assassin/Shade: melee walker with backstab ability. Damage dealer.

Stalker/Tracker: walker with ranged attack and piercing shot ability. Damage dealer.

when it comes about manticore, even in line-up it says it has poison before so i asume that manticores have a better-noticable-effective poison.

B.dragon + strider + stalker(minor poison) + medusa(control?debuff?) = MTS = 3 debuff
B.dragon + strider + stalker(minor poison) + lurker(debuff) + manticore(greater poison) = SoD = 4 debuff

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Cleglaw Советник
November 05, 2014 23:00:44

@Sylv4n2005

and? couldnt i favor inferno over dungeon? cant i love both factions? do i have to act childish and hate dungeon? i love dungeon and i love inferno. in fact, i love all factions more or less, and inferno-dungeon-necro are my favourites.

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Sylv4n2005 Разрушитель
November 05, 2014 23:02:27

"@Sylv4n2005 - So what? He can't change his view?"

I am saying there is no change to it. He just did not want Ashan's dungeon but a relic from III. There are so many factions that are as he wants them to be - the one faction that V fans had hoped would suit V, no, this must be a H3 clone. No thanks.

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Pawek1308 Древний
November 05, 2014 23:03:05

Although I agree with the first point, I have to remind you that in every line-up there are up to 2 Dark Ef units, nothing more. Shield has one Dark Elf, Blades and Faces have two. Besides - how do you know whether the colour variation would differ between li-eups. For sure, in Heroes VII there will be no purple extravaganza (look at the Hydra). Speaking about insects- Necropolis can get some spiders, in DoC they were present.

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Cleglaw Советник
November 05, 2014 23:03:21

@Qanger

yeah i agree you, its not cool to say medusa is naga. sanctuary is just a new faction here, medusa was a dungeon creature before, i respect that past.

and btw that shadow unicorn/nightmare thing is really ridicilous. i ll talk about that later.

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Sylv4n2005 Разрушитель
November 05, 2014 23:05:26

Since this is the only real point of contention....

"+Manticores are fast and flying, and you already have strider to tank enemy. you go fly your manticore to enemy shooters or to alone enemies to hunt them down. even one hit will be enough because they also apply poison."

Relies on your enemy being an idiot and not shielding shooters, which they can by the time you procure elites.

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Sylv4n2005 Разрушитель
November 05, 2014 23:07:04

As for lurkers... they can fly, but so what? Who'd want to make a shooter fly around a battleground unless surrounded? Particularly if magic damage is affected by the Heroes' magic stat (be it combined or not), the Medusa at least provides an edge to magic heroes... whilst might heroes will still have 4 - 5 units to draw from for their main stat.

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Sylv4n2005 Разрушитель
November 05, 2014 23:08:25

"yeah i agree you, its not cool to say medusa is naga. sanctuary is just a new faction here, medusa was a dungeon creature before, i respect that past."

You seem to fail to grasp that Enroth ceased existing as of V. Yes, the arguments that the medusa is a Naga are stupid, but the past is of zero relevance when said past is Enroth's and not Ashan's.

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bjarked Советник
November 05, 2014 23:09:52

@Cleglaw
"Some of them also have a fondness for poisons: their daggers are imbued with a mysterious kind of spiritual toxin that slowly erodes their victim's life force."
i think this means that the upgraded version will have poison, which gives us 4 vs 4. even though that you are right it is just speculation

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Cleglaw Советник
November 05, 2014 23:10:09

@Pawek1308

to me, faceless as a unit, looks like a masked-winged dark elf. like an "elven angel."

about color variation,
faceless and black dragon are using purple without doubt. elven units tend to use purple because of culture thing, 2 elves for MTS and Blade, shadow unicorn/nightmare is again probably just like b.dragon, gonna be mostl likely purple to indentify it as "dungeon", you know, they are sylvan when they are white, black/purple when they are dungeon, red when they are inferno.

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Cleglaw Советник
November 05, 2014 23:15:09

@Pawek1308 --2

faceless + b.dragon + 2 elves + shadow unicorn/nightmare = 5 creature(6 if lurker goes purple again, but i doubt it considering the past versions of it) using purple more or less.

MTS= 2 elves + b.dragon = 3 creature using purple more or less.

SoD= 1 elf + b.dragon = 2(+1 maybe from lurker, explanation above) creature using purple more or less

Blade uses most purple, and SoD uses least purple.

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Cleglaw Советник
November 05, 2014 23:16:27

sorry! blade counted 1 more then it should be.

numbers of purple usage:
Blade=4(5?)
MTS=3
SoD=2((3?)

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Cleglaw Советник
November 05, 2014 23:22:30

pls guys remember i speculate sometimes, because of not enough info given. we all do speculate at some point. i m writing my point of view and guesses about vote and line-ups presented.

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Cleglaw Советник
November 05, 2014 23:25:15

@bjarked

hmm, you are right, it seems SoD and MTS have equal counts of debuff after that creature gets upgraded.

poor Blade cant even catch up this numbers!

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Kytronix Преданный
November 04, 2014 15:54:40

Hoping for a more badass black dragon than the one in Heroes 6. It just looked so puny.

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Zardoc7 Мародер
November 04, 2014 15:59:03

My favorite dragon is still the ones from heroes 2

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darioio 
November 04, 2014 16:01:52

Punny - is the most delicate describing as stupid and bad they look like

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lenus1985 
November 05, 2014 21:38:30

The perfect Line-up for me:

* Core creatures

Assassin/Shade

Troglodyte/Chthonian

Stalker/Tracker

* Elite creatures

Minotaur/Minotaur Guard

Dark Raider/Grim Raider

Medusa/Medusa Sorceress

* Champion creatures

Shadow Dragon/Black Dragon

Cave Hydra/Dark Hydra

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lenus1985 
November 05, 2014 21:40:58

And Manticore as a neutral creature, like in Heroes 5

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krokoxodyl Тень
November 05, 2014 21:51:20

Good enough.

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