SimbaelTristis Szalony
For me big issue here is size of building. none of them stands out, dragon shrine is as big as archery platform. It would definitely improve apperance if buildings would be diversified.
14Luhorox
It's good that they don't stand out, IMO. I mean, it makes perfect sense when it comes to a battle. Makes the enemy think "What am I supposed to shoot with that catapult? Fu**ing branches!"
@SimbaelTristis - Dragon Shrine is clearly further away than Archery Platform.
The only thing that I don't like is... that it's night themed. The townscreen itself is beautiful, but to me, Sylvan is all about the dawn side like H5 (That's why I find it weird that you upgrade Moon Doe into a Sun Stag...)
30GalaadleHaut Bohater
lmao
But when you are in your town is not the time of siege, is the time where you relax, and develop your town lol
When there is a battle, you see the siege battlefield, not the townscreen lol
9oldschoolchicke
Ubisoft screwed up when they asked Blackhole to basically omit town screens in 6, and then come 7 they still want to scale them back, so they pretty much asked an artist what the best way was to make multiple 2D town screens on a budget. It is a good idea, just a bit sad that a corner was cut at all regarding town screens. This level of detail with more unique town screens would have made this a heroes to remember.
Town screens, to me, are the heart of the game.
3Emerald576
Hello GalaadleHaut, did you already play Drakensang online ? Its a great RPG !
visit drakensang.com for more info
20Antarius90 Tajemniczy
PLEASE, i say it again: when we build, we need to see the build action, with or without a sound, and see how is appearing in the townscreen, after doing click in the building screen, to see where the building is built, like the past Heroes games.
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28Marblethrone Rycerski
Agreed. In the Beta, you selected a building for construction and went back to the Town Screen, not knowing where the hell the building had been placed...only by carefully looking around could one discover it.
14Rentner65 Strażnik
Agreed as well! Townscreen looks awesome and would benefit from the "show-what-building-you-just-built" feature!
3Emerald576
Hello Antarius90, did you already play Drakensang online ? Its a great RPG !
visit drakensang.com for more info
21Najakir Kreeganin
Once again lack of logic :
-Sylanna's infinit gift has a door open on nothing
-golden path... isn't a path, just an other building
-fontain of restauration... usualy, fontains are inside towns
-Treant sanctum and dragon shrine are on clives outside of the city ? I don't see...
-Town portal is... flying ? Oo
-How elves go outside of there city ? No bridge, no boat...
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21Najakir Kreeganin
But at least : beautyfull colors and true wall.
I miss H2-3 townscreen, beautyfull, logic and easy to read. It's not a matter a technology, nor financial mean... just not puting building randomly on an ununderstandeble background.
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23Matooob
If theres something wrong its blacksmith on the top of the tree. Fountain on peuceful place outside the town fits weel.
"-Treant sanctum and dragon shrine are on clives outside of the city ?" is it? i dont think so.
Town portal, well someone finally had the idea to place it inside the town, not like in haven.
Overall its beautiful, but same with pixie. i expected smth different from syllanas fury, even if i havent voted for it.
15SimbaelTristis Szalony
Well I would understand criticising the lack of logic in stronghold or necropolis town, but here a lot of things are justifiable. This fountain doesn't need to be used as a source of water for villagers for example. I think it's nice. One thing that bothers me is that every building is the same size. It looks like christmas tree instead of elvish town.
25RobvD84 Szalony
Yeah same here, just like Galaad already said, the TS itself is good, but these buildings... Ugh...
24KhanOfSlaughter Zdobywca
Ubisoft gave up on logic for more fantasy. It's been so since H5.
14Luhorox
There's a kind of arena behind Sylanna's gift's doors.
Golden Path IS a path - upstairs.
Fountain near the Sun Garden, when Sun Deers live makes perfect sense IMO.
Kinda. They are on the rocks of the island on which the giant tree is placed. At least that's how I see it.
Umm, not sure on this one. Maybe they have to touch the stones that are connected to it? Well, it's a PORTAL so magic can explain anything xD
I guess that they ask Druids (their Circle is nearby) to make stone bridges. Or smth.
3Emerald576
Hello Najakir, did you already play Drakensang online ? Its a great RPG !
visit drakensang.com for more info
14Qvikh Tajemniczy
Now look at the townscreen while listening to the faction theme (fits perfectly!): https://soundcloud.com/might_and_magic/heroes-vii-the-elven-coronation-sylvan-faction-theme
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15SimbaelTristis Szalony
You're right! And I think that night theme fits with music and townscreen even better that day theme would :)
3Emerald576
Hello Qvikh, did you already play Drakensang online ? Its a great RPG !
visit drakensang.com for more info
3Emerald576
Hello Qvikh, did you already play Drakensang online ? Its a great RPG !
visit drakensang.com for more info
19m4ciej12222 Mroczny
Sylvan Townscreen is enchanted , beautiful , mysterious , fantastic and dreamlike !!!!!
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3Emerald576
Hello m4ciej12222, did you already play Drakensang online ? Its a great RPG !
visit drakensang.com for more info
22Minastir Strażnik
Kept the night setting but made the building more visible, it was kind of bland
-- http://i.imgur.com/uQqqtyP.jpg
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22mr3LiON
I guess "work in progress" mean exactly what you just did :)
But it doesn't look like a night anymore. That's the problem with the night atmosphere. Either it looks too dark so you can't see anything or it's too bright so it's doesn't look like night.
25RobvD84 Szalony
@mr3LiON i am sorry but how many times was it that they did anything to those ts? There were only a few artwork that actually got a redesign the rest of them stayed the same.
22Minastir Strażnik
@mr3LiON Ok, made it darker and still looks better than orginal, because it's not only dark or light version but the heu and highlights and shadows that make it more distinguishable, not so 'bland'
http://i.imgur.com/eDacJIZ.jpg
22mr3LiON
@RobvD84
Just compare first screenshot of Heaven TS and the TS from Beta. Significant difference.
25RobvD84 Szalony
@mrrawr You call that significant difference, i call that just some small changes. There hasn't been any big changes to most artwork to begin with (i don't count the artwork for sylvan ts in voting). Still waiting for spiderpolis if that has changed (doubt it will).
And september is comming closer, i really suggest them to delay it. No need to rush things at the end.
21Avonu_de_Odihs Tajemniczy
Welcome, Wilkommen, Fáilte, dear Guests in our fairy forest...I mean in Sylvan. I hope your swim in our lake was short. Please, take this towels to warm yourselves or bath in sunrays... ah, right it's midnight. Please, let me be you guide.
As you can see, our city was built around a hill with sacred tree grown at front of it. You say that Sylvan looks familiar to Haven? Well, maybe but our town is bigger and has real moat... and no floating buildings! (besides marketplace but it's exception).
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21Avonu_de_Odihs Tajemniczy
Here in Faery Woods (really one tree) lives Sprites. Butterflies, as we call them, are born from flowers and tuned to seasons - now, in summer, there are plenty of them so if you are allergic, by very careful.
Let's go left - here is Stone Circle with our Druidessses... Druidies... Druidi... Druids! Ykhm... there isn't male and distinction... that's it! You ask if they dance naked? Of course not... well, only during Full Moons (*looks at the sky*) - let's go futher! Now!
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21Avonu_de_Odihs Tajemniczy
Here is Embassy but it's empty now, there is tavern but after last dwarven party it's"out of order" for some time. Ah, here it is... Blade Dancers' Arena, full of half-naked, elves males with oil-abbs. Aren't they gourges? Their smirk is... inviting. If only we could stay here a little longer... but we must go now. :(
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21Avonu_de_Odihs Tajemniczy
Let's stop here and look on the right: you can see our famous marketplace with stairways to lake, Treant Sanctum (really sleeping treants), Dragon Shrine with Sylanna statue and Sun Garden where Moon Does sleep. What? Where do Sun Deers sleep? It's simple - during the day it's Moon Garden!
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21Avonu_de_Odihs Tajemniczy
Where was I? Ah, here. Down there, near lake and city gate is Sacred Grove, when Dryads are born. How? When we elves dies, sometimes we are buried in Treants branches and reborn as Dryads. Yes, even males! Unfortunately our ancestors planted Sacred Groves miles away from Treant Sanctum - it takes very long for treant to walk hin und zurück.
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21Avonu_de_Odihs Tajemniczy
Lets' go up now. There on left is Hunters Lodge. Our hunters every day need to get up very early to go down this road, swim the lake and hunt some food for rest of us.
And here we are - our Capitol and Thieves' Guild. Why both buildings so close? Didn't you ever pay taxes?
It's morning nearly, so we better start to walk down. We must hurry, if we want to reach city gates before evening. Hey! Stop right there! What do you thing you are doing?! No water sliding down on main road!
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21Avonu_de_Odihs Tajemniczy
I hope you liked this short tour around Sylvan town. Personaly I somehow like this town screen even if it has faults. Each building looks like part of town and not (like in case of Haven) a building dropped randomly from the sky.
Also Sylvan ended a lot better then I exepted.
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30GalaadleHaut Bohater
"Also Sylvan ended a lot better then I exepted"
Me too lol, but just makes me sadder because of game design decisions regarding core mechanics siiiiigh
14sz_roland Strażnik
Me2,I would marry Emerald Phoenix and we live here together forever!
Very nice town screen sadly it will be no 3D :(
30EnergyW Twardziel
Well it seems unstable. Don't you see how thin and tall the columns are?
25Antalyan Pradawny
Maybe the map and manual how to get to this city will be a secret part of the collector´s edition for preorders?
30mediczero Młot Losu
@sz_roland
Not if I marry her first!
@EnergyW
I thrust the elves, they know what they are doing...
30EnergyW Twardziel
"I thrust the elves, they know what they are doing..."
I bet you do. *smug face*
30EnergyW Twardziel
Besides, having such high columns would make the building unstable, easier to collapse. Not certain how good an idea is, but maybe "carving" out buildings in the tree and making them on branches would do.
15SimbaelTristis Szalony
I think these columns are rather decoration than actually some sort of pillars carring buildings. I think that branches are used that way.
22krayz1e2010 Mroczny
Why Heroes 3 has better graphic then Heroes 7 and at the same time Heroes 7 needs 50x stronger PC?
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/v0nhf1xl0Rg/maxresdefault.jpg
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23darioio
I'm not sure it's soo better, it's diffrent,
That said we all know that the rest (Haven, Academy, Necro) are much better in H3
29Cleglaw Doradca
Stop right there, architect has come!
Theres a term for what i see here, "a sea of coloumns". it is a term to mock newbie architecture students! in here, what i see is, you are using veeeery unnecessary high number of coloumns, and using them as sometimes as elements taller then 50+ metres. thats a big waste of space when used for just one single building, this also creates very high pressure to soil with only even itself, creating an ironical stuitaion to its main purpose; not spoiling land.
29Cleglaw Doradca
for solving this, i reccomend you some ways:
1- do remove few of them, and add more buildings in a vertical line, to make more use from those coloumns, in an eclectic style.
2- remove all of them nearly, and draw tree branches to naturally support the buildings, make use of those branches to create an organic, living-city view. organic city, taken form from natural structure of trees that looks like flying in air, or like "fruits" of construction! dryads should be wizards of this architecture
29Cleglaw Doradca
with these ways, you will see how much it becomes clear, eye friendly, thus finding even more space to enchance the view, with additional homes and vegetations, and you must hear councilors about this, civil buildings are currently too few indeed. so i say, two birds in one stone!
those building connecters-roads-bridges are very flawed. why? because they dont acctually serve their purpose, slopeness is the problem. sometimes thye become too vertical, and more importantly they dont have order
29Cleglaw Doradca
with order, i mean, stairs do have some certain order to make us allow go higher levels, the height doesnt change in every step, to create an organic-hand drawn feel you can divide stairs with flat random bridges and also make fancy stair railings.
another way is, making real simple hanging bridges, if you want to try out, that may work very well too. imagine classic rope-wood bridges, imagine how they draw inclined lines in town screen...
29Cleglaw Doradca
i want to you to magine a plants life: they grow from simple froms first and then they create complexity with an eclectic way out of their "past". they grow things over things, vines, trees.. imagine them. sylvan architecture should be growing in a way like that: hall of heroes may be more in tune with capitol for an example. you get what i mean?
30Mirash_ge Smok
What is Your opinion about the " roller coaster " for a skateboard ?
29Cleglaw Doradca
by the way, there are some serious troubles with sclaing. esspecially hall of heroes hurts my eye so bad, use humanoid type scling, normal sized elements like, normal windows, normal sized doors to enchance the big buildings, so we may feel its greatness without acctually seeing them as giants with wrong scale. do allow people to compare things, so they may really get the size relations, that will also make your job easier too.
30mErEnEfErEee Furia
Yeah, great thanks. We will implement and change everything you say XD
20Cosadj Doradca
Well, it says "work in progress" so it'd be good if they'd listen to some of our suggestion.
Personnaly, I think some thing he said are vital to make thiq townscreen enjoyable.
29Cleglaw Doradca
http://data.hdwallpapers.im/tree_house.jpg
notice how the bridges are connected with tree, it has "artificial-branches" to support them.
http://cdn.obsidianportal.com/assets/48323/Omdatta_Tyagi.jpg
another example to those artificial branches, this time to support building.
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https://36.media.tumblr.com/55022ae08ad43210bd072bc8a15fe448/tumblr_nokiozrtVS1r31v2no1_500.jpg
an example of harmony, instead of current "white concrete" it is regular tree which supports vertically
29Cleglaw Doradca
and another one, with a different look but with same approach, mid-tree as support unit.
http://www.homedesignfind.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/treehouse-yellowpages.jpg
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hanging part, or completely hanging architecture with harmony in nature;
http://cdnstatic.visualizeus.com/thumbs/9c/b7/saved,architecture,arquitectura,casa,casaenel%C3%A1rbol,forest-9cb77cc1c87e8b60ba441ffcae386211_h.jpg
http://www.architectureartdesigns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ArchitectureArtDesigns-1723.jpg
14CuriousOnlooker
Of course it's a dwarf schooling the devs on engineering. Too perfect. XD
What's more, all of these points are spot on.
22mr3LiON
Wonder how this town screen would look like with daylight atmosphere?
Behold:
---- http://i.imgur.com/cycaeup.jpg ---
What do you think? Was it right choice to pick a moonlight?
22mr3LiON
I prefer night version too. But I'd like to see a Night as it was pictured at my assumption art during the TS vote.
http://i.imgur.com/00smMLM.jpg
22Kimarous Wspaniały
Argh! That burns my eyes! It's worse than the Uber-Elrath-Haven before they toned it down! Argh!
Besides, the night version fits the mood of the Elven Coronation theme better. I just don't see that music working nearly as well with that daytime version.
7Vanriela
I don´t see that music working with the night version either.
22mr3LiON
> I don´t see that music working with the night version either.
I don't see that music working with Sylvan Faction at all.
22Kimarous Wspaniały
@Vanriela - Have you even tried it out? Open the townscreen on one tab, open the music on another, and play the music while staring at the townscreen. That's what I did, and I think it works very well.
And if you need a link to the music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYOoCzNYEAM
22mr3LiON
Nope. Didn't work for me.
Well.. Maybe first part of the melody fits this screen. 2nd and 3rd not at all. The 2nd part is kinda turkish fiesta, and the 3rd part better fits dawn atmosphere (like everything awake and dance), not night.
21Milets Strażnik
Hmmm, I voted for night, but now I think day would be better. Or maybe crimson twilight, even better...
30GalaadleHaut Bohater
"turkish fiesta" ... Incult fiesta in comment sections I'd rather say lol
25Antalyan Pradawny
As regards this site updates, I would welcome:
- to do the sylvan update (but I expect coming next week with abilities)
- to update the classes on the factions´ sites
- to make some directory for THE NEWS (it is very tiring to click again and again in order to find older articles about skills, questions and answers etc.)
- to add new heroes portraits for sylvan and dungeon after their reveal
30mediczero Młot Losu
Know what I would like?
- updated townscreens for Haven/Academy
- warfare units for Necropolis, Stronghold and Sylvan (if reveal before update)
22Minastir Strażnik
@mediczero
You can find updated Haven and Academy TS on HC ;)
30mediczero Młot Losu
@Minastir
Perhaps, but it would be nice to have on the site...
22Minastir Strażnik
@mediczero not perhaps, because I did posted them in very Hi-res on HC :P and let Ubi-Nox focus on more interesting content on this site
22Minastir Strażnik
@mediczero
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=40500&PID=1301480#focus
25Black_Weaver Rzeźnik
@antalyan
Nox already said sylvan update will be on this week :)
—https://mmh7.ubi.com/en/blog/post/view/armies-of-the-silva-part-1#558826850c75f77146228c2f
25Antalyan Pradawny
@Minastir
Thanks, I remember this article but I have still saturday today :D
22Ubi-Nox Cień Śmierci
Hello all, it seems we had a member quite ecstatic about a particular MMORPG tonight... (massive spamming for late comers). It should now be fixed, sorry for this and good night Councillors :)
21DarMior Obieżyświat
Pfft, ha. So what? It does not ruin the developer. But the creation of the 3D screen can delay the development of the game and reduce the income (+ the cost of the process of creating 3D). Your trifle worthless.
25RobvD84 Szalony
I think 2d can be far more beautifull then 3d (ofcourse 3d can look good too), but this artstyle will never come close to that.
16AuroraBorealis9
I like this beautiful town-screen. For me it fits Sylvan very well! :)
GalaadleHaut BohaterJune 29, 2015 18:45:13
Just like all other townscreens there is architectural, proportions and perspective problems, but more importantly, the buildings don't stand out.
Other than that, atmosphere works this time, fits the lineup IMO.