Once again so very over the top designs... I dunno why I'm even expecting good "normal" designs from devs anymore since they felt even haven core crossbowmen need heavy armoring... You targeting this game to 10-year-olds or why you make the designs so over the top? -.-
They look like they cannot move. I used to like those kind of designs, but mainly when I was much younger. If they put on more gear, they'll end up in need of wheels.
It is so hyped, that it looks sci-fictional. I am just missing laser shooting guns here, and xenomorph in the lineup
It's nice to see someone shares the same opinion. The male hero reminds me of dwarf because of it's bad proportions as an effect of this weird armor. I'm really afraid about the elves now much more then I was. It's just hard just to look at it. I have to say that some designers in the team are really bad.
xenomorph? Well we already have the spider so we're close enough :P
Too much, everything, expect logic. Pretty same as Sussu, its good design for WoW not Heroes.
They just don't look like Necromancers.
They look like big spiders :P
They are not necromancers, maybe thats why they dont look like ones. Wait few days and finally we will get theese magic oriented heroes - Spidermancers.
Necro heroes, even if they are might Heroes, should look skinny, but devious! Not like emmo dwarfs!
They have" Death" and "Bone" in their names, yet I fail to see a single bone. They are over-incumbent in heavy spike armor in spidery theme. They looks ridiculous just as their c...tors. why can't they be simple like a pale guy covered in a shadowy tattered cloak, wielding a rusty scythe, and riding on a plauge horse?
I wouldn't be surprised it is targeted for newer audience, considering they are changing a lot of gameplay techniques since H5.
What Ubisoft did to Necropolis is an insult to all fans of the series. The worst thing is they seem to be proud of butchering the 20 years old franchise and turning it into some Warcraft wannabe clone, would be best if Necro was just scrapped from the game if that's how it's supposed to look like.
Or just sell the franchise to someone else, after the fail that H6 was I would expect some changes to be made and yet it looks almost the same.
@ devs : I know that endless discussions are still ongoing, but please let us know what do you think about fans feedback about necro. Is our opinion about it not educated one? Are we wrong when we say that spiders dont belong to necro? What is your official statement about this? I would really appreciate if you revealed whose idea spider necro actually was and if he at least admitt that it was terrible design choice or if he is perfectly happy with his work.
We deserve some answers.
We deserve a true Necropolis!
logical.dust +1 as always
Maybe Glaadle can ask when he goes to their HQ.
They introduce a spider theme for the necro since H5 ToE,
Then in duel of champions you have cards like
again in Dark Messiah
See also this concept art for H5
And in H6, the fate spinner.
So I think they like their spiders.
+1, very polite and reasonable! Hope we get those and other questions answered
@ Assaldir : you are right, seems lot of references in other m&m games, but nobody ever complained? If not, then why is it such a problem all of a sudden in heroes game? I have a theory - I did say it before - heroes dont belong to ashan, that game deserve universe by its own - its not same as duel of champions or some other spinoff cheap game. Pity that ubisoft treat it as such. I wonder if sales are actually bigger than of those spinoff games - maybe not, which would explain a lot.
The problem IMO is that previously it served to just add some character to the faction whilst maintaining the core of what makes Necropolis Necropolis. Now instead of being a supporting aspect, its become the main feature.
To quote something I heard from a friend who went to culinary school "dressing is a flavoring, not a beverage."
It's the same thing here with the spiders. They're good when the serve as one aspect of the faction, but not when they are the only defining characteristic.
Why are u giving false picture just to stir up the hatred against the works of the devs on the necropolis ?
I mean, u took an artwork from a french comics and say it's a H5 spider-inspired artwork ..
@logical.dust: What a lovely speech- inquistion and Ministry of Love would be proud. "Just own up and it will all be fine. All pain, insulting, humiliation and tortures will stop if you'll admit that you were wrong all along". If you want to be polite don't set ultimatum "if you say what we want we will be still polite".
Also they were setting it up long enough for us to accept it or turn back on them, just like Assaldir wrote.
@logical.dust: They have established Ashan for HoMM/MMH and now it belongs to it no matter how much anybody will cry. This unified world makes writers job easier as they don't have to work on 3 different timelines like Nintendo with the Legend of Zelda.
No, it was a concept for Heroes 5, but it was made by the same artist as the comics you linked.
My post was here to show that spider theme was here in necropolis since H5 and complaining that they don't feat just now it's a bit late. Anyway I'm pretty sure it will end like the Wight from H5, people hated them at first, wanted the Black Knight back and made mod to remove them, but when H6 necro line up was revealed people complained they weren't here.
@ Zatrakus95 : well fine, writing is easier, but that does not make me like the game. I am just giving friendly advises. Of course they can do it their way and worst thing for me is that I wont buy the game - no big deal. I liked this game, I grew up playing it, but I guess that everything has its end. They surely can afford loosing few old fans, but they shouldnt complain that fanbase for such game type is small if they treat fans as such.
@ Zatrakus95 : by the way ... they could 'destablish' it exactly swiftly as it was established. I still remember H4 intro animation which in short time explained why old world was abadoned and there is new world. They should have returned to the roots with lore, not with the game mechanics omg. They surely have brilliant minds behind all this creation.
I love Ashan, but I don´t like spideropolis of course.
H7 FORGE HERO concept art just leaked
SO LOL xDDDDD
People are fast.
that's funny +1 :)
To nééé :DDD
zkuste to znovu
Wow, already. That was fast.
Is it wrong if I like this more than the original concept??? xDDDDD
Haha, the first mod just came out :D
Nice, funny and interesting!
1) Needs more armor
2) Needs more spikes
3) Needs more green
4) Needs more purple
I really believe we found the worst faction ever made in all Heroes serie. Please, tell me you won't do this with the non-released-yet factions.
Maybe, they can still remake it to Forge.
Hmmm I don't know, Necros from H6 where pretty bad also... But considering H7 necros so far, they are practically the same thing... same models recycled with just some minor changes...
5) Needs more necropolis
This H7 necro faction is competing for many awards:
- Worst townscreen in the HOMM serie
- Worst heroes design in the HOMM serie
- Worst design of a vampire in the HOMM serie
- Worst design of a spider in the whole fantasy universe
They have their chances, we'll compare with the next faction
Give Lich Death Cloud Ability!
hi Galaadle! What's the problem, my friend?
Я прошу на истинный навык Lich.
- Облако Смерти чтоль??)
Lich = skeletal + death cloud
And give me ten billions dollars and a candy!
Thank you for this! Best hashtag ever!
@LichRotkiv: Can't believe we even have to fight for this lol
Success of H7 = listening to our wishes as regards abilites of units.
Give us the abilities we want (you cannot replace them by flanking or something like that)
Spikes and spiders, so unexpected.
spam war again? OK...
Which spam? I posted this once.
Death to the spiders and spiderpolis!
Ye, as Rambo said, we lookin' forward for unexpected orcs with skulls everywhere :D
Actually, as much as I dislike the "Spiderpolis hate", didn't the Spider Cult fall apart with Belketh's death and Mother Namtaru's disappearance?
I thought that at that point, while some referred to the Spider Goddess or Asha (Markal, who quite obviously played on that), the actual cult and faith weren't restored until Arantir rose to power?
@Sligneris: As far as I understood, in H7, spider-cult is at its strongest, in the timeline.
No kidding lol
Galaad is right. Marzhin told that after H7 MAYBE there will be no so many spider symbolics within necromancer's faction and in H7-H6 it is in the best shape.
Sempai_Mur, а кто сказал, что Некрополис 7ки датируется 853 ГСД? события кампании могут произойти гораздо раньше (а в новых Героях сюжет фракционной кампании довольно сильно влияет на лайн-ап и дизайн)
Sanctuary_BD, я не пойму, к чему ты это? Никто не сказал. Ты вообще смысл мною написанного понял?
No more over the top Necromancers.
Death to all spiders and the Spidercult!
Give Ghosts Incorporeal Ability!
And the black artwork looks so good.
Give necropolis units some useful abilities in general!
Dear Limbic please make me your visual designer
I think i would be perfect for you !
Here's a necromagic hero so u can see my skills, i think it's perfect and fits ashan perfectly
------- http://s28.postimg.org/74ydmel19/awesome_H7_magicnecrohero.jpg ------
Is it the new way of moder art which I don't know? :-)))
Take Zangetas on the job!
Indeed, it fits them well.
So as I've noticed about complainers which complain about our whine regarding crappy art, their articles usually like: "Wow, awesome","Cool!","Nice job, devs", "Nice!", "Very awesome", "Can't wait to play", "So excited for 3d models" etc. Any constructivity. Just few words how much do they like it.
And we ("haters") posting our thoughts with explanations what we don't like and why,with suggestions how it could be done in a better way. So u call us haters and complainers lol. Perfect ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Thank you for explaining something in my/our head so many times.
Those guys would probably approve anything. Newbies or occasional players don't care that much, e.g. if a city has a spider legs or a hero has a spider head LOL :D
Maybe becaus there is no more to say. If it's good, it's good.
Is it constructive to spam about spider ? We know that there is too much spiders. But at least, there is a little more color on these heroes... I feared worst...
Because when you like something, you don't want it to change. Why would you want them to say?
Oh also, merenefere1282 also show why they don't add more. Some complainers think that their opinon is the only valid one, that they are the only true heroes fan, and I think people just don't want to start another pointless argument with people like that.
Modern day gamers which reconciliated themselves with the computer games when someone told them about the f******g LoL or directly started playing with that game appreciate artworks which suck b***s. Then they came here look at this and like everything they show. The townscreens as a base odel could have work if hey improved them correctly but as they were they are lame. Those heroes suffer from exactly the opposite, too over the top. But of course, as this is what nowdays sales...
If they happily take transformers in a heroes game, they can take literally anything. No doubt.
>If it's good, it's good.
E.g.: nice, fit armor, it perfectly suits theme of the faction. Colors are fine and they make perfect harmony, cool new weapon look like real Reaper's tool. So fearsome and dreadful. I like it.
Assaldir, yes, of course. If you have an opinion, you don't want to give arguments to your opponent, sure thing.
Nope, we don't think that our opinion is the most legitimate. But we didn' hear any other constryctive POV. Just random "wow" epiteths. Meh... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I did a post a little like that, you can search it at the begining of the topic. XD
And what YOU are doing is exactly the same thing, by making that kind of "generalities" about those who like articles. And (irony), you suggest that you are clever than them ! Really impressive.
Come on, if some people "complain about the complainers/haters" it's not about ALL complainers.
I only have problems with a few of them, who maybe want to be too much provocative. They seems to be unsatisfied and spread only rage into this site
I understand humor but it's not just the kind of humor I would recommand.
For some, if we disagree with them we are not a Heroes fan... :-(
If I won a dollar each time I saw something who basically say "if you like x you aren't a true heroes fan so your opinion is invalid unlike mine" here I would be rich.
And also, screaming "spiderpolis" spamming hashtag, and other pseudo argument like "it's unrealistic" aren't "constructive POV" ;^)
If you disagree with the way Necropolis is build, you're in your right and if you are giving arguments about your position, I can't say that you are wrong. And I would probably answer you and try to make you see the bright side of life :D if I was more active on this website !
Some "haters" are just not in that mood you are, that is why I complained.
Maybe if they say, why they think it is good?
Why they think it is more important to show spider cult membership, than show actual undead traits in visuals. (Undead traits: bones, rotten clothes..etc..) Why is overdecorated armor more fitting to necropolis. And why is ok to use old models and tweak them just with small changes.
I would like to hear some pro-spiderpolis comments, not just some ppl complaining about how it is rude to dislike something
Would you like to understand that it is not about "who has reason/who has best arguments" about Necropolis ? OK ? That is not why we are complaining !
It is about the atmosphere of the website. We are here to discuss about news, give impressions. And all that stuff should be done with positive attitude (I don't mean "positive" like we shall all agree with developpment, but that if we care about the game, we MUST give reasonable, decent, polite (not too much flaming) comments.
@Assaldir, #GROS, #VN, #Korbáčik сххххх<
@Brackenwood, honestly I don't much care about humor recommendations lel it's individual. Violet covered my idea perfectly, I'd rather won't repeat her words from myself. And I don't say "all of them". But the percentage you could just see. "Haters" mostly cover their vision, "lovers" just say that they love it (mostly). Or u gonna argue with my obviousness?
I think that some people are feeling like "insulted" by developpers for being against the "majority/democracy" and then, they look to those who are OK with devs, and they feel betrayed as fans.
And that is the bad point. Because they want to avenge, and they destroy the "discussion" process.
Notice that I am not speaking about all complainers. And I am only using virtual exemples, this is not based on facts. I'm just giving you my feeling (maybe it's too much).
Why are you answering me that, Sempai? I don't understand if you are joking or... ? I'm trying to explain you my point and you can't answer anyting more than "humor is individual" ?
You could say the same about Spiderpolis, you know, that this is "individual".
I also dislike that they reuse model, but I like the "spiderpolis" because it give the necro an identity, something that don't make them like any other random necro from your average fantasy setting. Yes, you could have your cliché necro, who are evil and all the package, but it's done to death. Also a spider theme make a link with the mythological figure of the weaver of fate, like the Moira, it's really fit well with non-evil necro.
@Brackenwood., and I wasn't speaking about all complainers of complainers (lel). I can respect some other's taste even if I don't share it. But when I say:
1. Models are recycled (fact)
2. Spider symbolics is overused (fact)
3. The look of necromancers is not canonic (fact)
Someone says in reply just "Stop complaining, you'r like sting in the arse" I doubt that such opinion deserves somo credit ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
*somo credit = some credit. I love this "edit button".
Do you know what canon mean? You are in Ashan where the necro are a fanatic sect of wizard venerating a spider goddess, and the campaign will be when the cult was at its strongest, I don't know how they look isn't canon.
@Assaldir, as I've said it many times, lore is just a poor excuse for any madness in the game. In H5 there was also a 'spider cult', even some spider details on necro's amunition but it wasn't annoying and Necromancers were still true. And in H6 we've got all that madhouse with junkies liches, lamasu, spider ladys and other spidercrap (and all this along with other ultimate fails of H6 game). H2,3,5 necros were true and canonic. H6 was a failure in general and necros was a failure in particular.
1)Spider is used in fantasy very often, warcraf, lotr and could continue...
2)Spider cult killed the necropolis atmosphere, and everything what made this faction specific and most iportantly, what was loved by fans.
3)Spider was in lore from the beginning of Ashan but only as a symbol. But in H6 spider cult started with usage of namtaru's venom, and that change in lore was unnecessary.
I will say that technically this is cannon, but only because the developers say it is. The cannon is basically whatever the heck the creator decides it is, good or bad.
I also now want to share this song here:
1) Spider, yes. Non-evil necromancer venerating a spider goddess not so much.
2) That's a matter of taste, so subjective.
3) It's like that since Dark Messiah http://i48.tinypic.com/zlq72r.jpg
Anyway, the whole spiderpolis thing is like the forge, something introduce in a side game, put in Heroes, everybody hate it at first, and probably, if the game is good, in some year everybody will like it.
That's not what canon mean.
We had enough of this Asha cult! We want competent, independent and megalomaniac necromancers! Long live the VOID NECROPOLIS!
You mean the one who always lose at the end? I don't see how you can call them "competent".
>That's not what canon mean.
If u'll continue just to deny my words instead of adding ur own argumentation, let's consider our dialog is done.
P.S. 'standard', 'archetypal', 'typical' (from Wiki). So Standard Necropolis is H2-3-5, Аrchetypal Necropolis is H2-3-5, Typical Necropolis.... welp, ok. Up to u typical one is the Spiderpolis, huh? xD
And what you saying is not "canonical". This is just "according to the lore of blabla". The lore could be written up to the any twisted line up and you'll still eat it just because developers will explain this madness somehow, won't ya?
Sorry, but the 500 characters is really limiting. But first read my post, I especially say I like the spiderpolis because it's not typical.
The definition of canon on wiki is "In fiction, canon is the material accepted as part of the story in an individual fictional universe" nothing to do with how typical it is.
So why would I want to argue with a guy who say "it's a fact that they aren't canonical, but only if you take my own definition and not the one everybody else use."
And read your post again,and you will understand why people who don't agree with complainer don't want to argue with them. You become agressive and borderline insulting. "If you don't agree with me, it means you will eat everything the dev do",That's what I mean when I talked about the "I'm the only true Heroes fan here, my opinion is the only valid one" mentality. Arguing with peole with this mentality is like pissing in the wind, I understand why people don't want to do it.
Agree with you Assaldir, that is what I was trying to say.
My first burnout about this game. Bone "Knight", Death "Knight"... Creativity! Is it even Necropolis heroes? Compare to hearoes 3: Isra - skeleton Lich with rotten bones, Galthran - Vampire (classic), Clavius - Undead (looks merely dig out), Tamika - Knight Vampire, Sandro - Absolute Skeleton, Septienna - Human-like necromancer. Is they caged in armor like human knights? Not all. I mean only 2-3 of them. And thats only an appearance of heroes.
What special abilities have all that calsses? I mean true difference. Control and rise sceleton armies. That's all. Diplomacy, warcries and other perks a good, but why even diffirintiate them as "Classes". That's just a skills, nothing more. Every other fraction have those abilities.
Zgadzam się w procentach!
I'd like to add and underline one more thing again. We have been told something like "no outstanding visuals because devs are focusing money on mechanics". Where is this spectacular mechanics? Where?
And we won't have an opinion about mechanics till it's everything already done...
Have we been told that? Good Christ, must have forgotten. Entirely. Completely. Or I just didn't believe.
Markal: like common man http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes5/images/hero-icons/Necropolis_Markal_128.jpg
Giovanni: vampire, infernish looking http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes5/images/hero-icons/Necropolis_Giovanni_128.jpg
Naadir: still dunno wtf was he but way too cool http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes5/images/hero-icons/Necropolis_Naadir_128.jpg
Orson: ugly zombie http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes5/images/hero-icons/Necropolis_Orson_128.jpg
really? again? are we still crying about H3? if you like it, play it! in H3 the heroes portraits were different, in the battle they were all the same!! i am sure that each hero will have its own portrait and speciality in H7 as well, so stop the hating ...
Kaspar (Embalmer) was an ugly bastard:
It's not the heroes portrait, it's the atwork for the in game model of the generic might necropolis heroes, and last time I checked, in every heroes since at least H3, it was the same for every heroes of the same classes and gender, every death knight in H3 had the same in game model.
Well i have an opinion with my money if they decide to do it like that, especially after they wanted our "help".
"Bone "Knight", Death "Knight"... Creativity!"
And where do you see Bone Knight?
I loved the iamge of a pale man/woman, covered in a shadowy tattered cloak, wielding a scythe, and riding a paluge horse. There is no thing more symbolic to Death/Undead as that.
I totally agree. Since when does the death need money? For food? For travel? Or for that ridiculous-looking expensive armor?
They need money to buy fancy armours for thousands of skeleton 'hoplites' lol
Again, Spiderpolis theme is an outrage.
Here is an idea. Delete this faction! The game is good with 5 other factions. The fans can wait until you guys create a proper Necropolis and release it in an expansion or a DLC.
As a huge fan of Necropolis I'd like if this spider faction would be replaced by dwarfes in this game. But that's a hopeless dream.
Yeah, I prefer to have no Necropolis than this......
It's not an easy decision (coz i want necroz like many others here) but would be better to see other faction (Swamp mb :d) than this Prederpolis thingy.
#GUTD - Town description
Necropolis deserve better than this, Spiderpolis is an insult to the tradition and legacy of the undead faction of Heroes of Might and Magic
I think the best decision would be to cancel Heroes 7. xD
This article would be much more useful if you told us more about the hero classes and abilities.
All in good time.
But when we know nothing about it, how can be this article interesting?
This is the same article as Haven and Academy ones. It's just a general features, and peculiarities will be devoted to individual articles. If they told all at once, there won't remain any information to make other news until the release ;)
Surely it is the similar articles. But these articles are completely useless as long as we don´t know what are they speaking about.
Does it hurt you so much to just try and be creative?
I mean they're from necropolis dammit give us bones, not fully armored knights.
And what the shit is up with green eyes, can't they have regular or no eyes at all, you guys need to get rid of your artists or who ever comes up with these boring regular overused "shit", yes shit because that's what it is.
I think artist just got the orders what he/she has to do. Not only "make some cool heroes arts" and then she/he browse the old heroes library find H6 model add spikes and post it here. IMHO artist is okay, something wrong with creative manager.
In H5 there were some of the heroes had some green glowing in their eyes but it wasn't so annoying like here.
They should have some skulls, no eyes etc. Anything, but this looks like an armoured predator or alien, not a Necromancer. And again they are so colorful. Just glimmering like this crappy townscreen. More purple, more green, more ornaments!
The stupid lore is killing this faction, everyone has to be a good looking vampire now, ugh!
This is so excessively ornamented it's comical.
When we think necropolis, I think what we all have in mind is something stark, barren, cold, dead. These are the ultimate monks--they've abandoned every pleasure of the flesh forever in order to serve their goddess or study the nether, so regardless of whether it's the Ashan cult or the void cult, the aesthetic should be extremely sparse and monastic. The undead have no use for aesthetics--they can't enjoy them. Displays of wealth are meaningless.
This is unorthodox spidermancers which got some kind of mental disease and obsession by spiders. So they are 'not like others'. Hipsters among necromancers.
As you can see, they even visit gym on a regular basis. And the woman use some dead fitness or smth.
Necro is ruined. I broke down.
Still waiting for the Necropolis reveal, but I'm not a fan of this new Spiderpolis faction.
Ghost without incoporeal is a disgrace, Vampire needs no retalation, uncle fester is a joke but no death cloud makes it even worse.
Give Us More Diverse Abilities
Up this vote! If we will say it again and again, maybe somebody will listen to us