24They are here just to troll us, they don´t care about opinion of others. But what dissapointed me the most is Ubisoft (or, should I say Limbic ?), not the cheaters, because it´s Ubi fault that some kind of cheating is even possible. Nah, at least i hope the 2nd round will be Faces VS Shield
21Please, hide the votingnumbers till the pool closes. Or else it will be misleading.
15This!
Listen to him Ubi! We don't need any statistics after we vote! Make it secret!
11Stop cheating! You're giving the Heroes crew devs extra work to clear up the votes and ubi accounts - time they really should spend polishing the game. Idiot cheaters.
23I hope the Ubisoft overlords dont have a dead line for the game.
Because the way dead lines go, is they assume if everything goes well it should take X amount of time to make. Their to money hungry to give the dev team extra time to polish the game!! And their wasting huge amount of time by removing cheaters from this vote and the sylvan one.
Fury Haters, pls remember fury didnt cheat during last votes!
28@Denisa I have no idea what you mean when you say fury didn't cheat. If you look at the percentages they published in the end it says otherwise...
23It went from 43% to 47% after the cheaters were removed. I dont see what u mean.
28To specify denisa, because fury was biggest at the time votes were counted off, it would have gained the most percentages if both balance and fury were "clean". The fact that balance gained almoast triple the amount of "extra"percentage after fakes were cleared out while being also the smaller in number it shows that fury cheated a lot more than balance.
23U make no sense sry.
If balance and strength were higher before votes were cleared. Once the cheaters were removed balance and strength lost % because of the big amount of cheats they had, fury didnt lose but gained % because it had a lot more real person votes in them!
28Let's say we have 100 votes total so you see original percentages. A has 26, B 31 and C 43. In the last count we Find 8 fake votes in A. This means the final results are:
A 19,5%(- 6,5%)
B 33,7%(+2,7%)
C 46,7%(+3,7%)
See here how the differences worked, bigger got more? If bigger one cheated it gets less and in our real situation the difference of what B got and C got was almoast triple the amount. This proves that fury cheated. Balance could be clean, but most likely has cheaters also.
11We know how money hungry most game publishers are, not only ubi. They have to spend extra money on these cheat accounts...
28As for the actual numbers I couldn't tell. All I can say is compared to balance fury cheated quite a bit and strength cheated A LOT compared to fury based on the percentages. And that is after you cancel out cheat-votes assuming balance had them too(let's say A had 10 cheaters, B 2 cheaters and C 5 cheaters it would even up to A 8 cheats, B 0, c 3 cheats.) I hope you understood with these how the system works.
11@ ramborusina: We don't really know who cheated the most in the Sylvan vote. It depends on the total amount of cheat votes compared to legit votes, and we don't officially know those numbers - It's a complicated mathematical problem. But if there was more cheat votes than legit votes, it's even more difficult to make sense of the number precentage + - compared to the original votes. Let's just hope there wasn't that many cheat votes in total.
28@flair you're partially right. We don't know who cheated most, we only know who got caught the most. Strength cheated the most based on statistic followed by fury while balance was the most honest. You can see it from the percentages gained/lost the same way I used in my example. The order is very easy to tell from the changed and the system itself does work the same way as I put it there with 100 votes, only real problem is catching all cheaters.
11@ ramborusina: I think your theory is the most likely, but you are in fact basing your answers and theory on the assumption that there weren't that many cheat votes compared to legit votes. Let's hope so.
28I don't think you get it. Even if most votes would be fakes of all the votes(very unlikely), when you compare the fake results with real ones without the fakes you can tell who cheated the most by looking who lost most percentages as they are relative value based on votes. After that you can check how the other choices growth in relation to each other and their original percentages with fakes. It's actually a lot easier to calculate than it is to explain.
28And to know just the order of who cheated most, 2nd most and least/none doesn't even require you to calculate everything if you got good insight in math. Problem for me in the sylvan vote results however is that I personally find it very hard to believe that strength would cheat so much more than others. It felt just political decision saying they cheated the most. I do hope we see 2nd round in voting, but I really doubt they're willing to fix their mistake(s) even after admitting them.
11thGryphn October 01, 2014 04:16:56
Correct solution is with Algebra.
Let's start defining the variables.
FC = Fury cheat votes
FL = Fury legit votes
BC = Balance cheat votes
BL = Balance legit votes
SC = Strength cheat votes
SL = Strength legit votes
TC = Total cheat votes = FC + BC + SC
TL = Total legit votes = FL + BL + SC
From the final results:
FL = 0.4528 TL
BL = 0.3671 TL
SL = 0.1801 TL
Form previous results:
(FL+FC) = 0.43 (TL+TC)
(BL+BC) = 0.31 (TL+TC)
(SL+SC) = 0.26 (TL+TC)
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thGryphn October 01, 2014 04:17:22
Substituting, we find:
FC = 0.43 TC - 0.0228 TL
BC = 0.31 TC - 0.0571 TL
SC = 0.26 TC + 0.0799 TL
From here, it's clear that FC > BC (since the positive term is larger and negative term is smaller).
In English, Fury cheat votes were more than Balance cheat votes.
Comparison to Strength cheat votes is not straightforward, but we can get a sense.
For FC > SC, we need (0.43 TC - 0.0228 TL) > (0.26 TC + 0.0799 TL), which translates to TC > 0.60 TL.
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thGryphn October 01, 2014 04:18:13
In English, if total cheat votes were more than 60% of the total legit votes, then Fury cheated most.
In other words, if total cheat votes were more than 37.66% of total votes, then Fury cheated most.
For BC > SC, we need (0.31 TC - 0.0571 TL) > (0.26 TC + 0.0799 TL), which means TC > 2.74 TL.
In English, if total cheat votes were more than 2.74 times the total legit votes, then Strength cheated least.
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thGryphn October 01, 2014 04:18:38
In other words, if total cheat votes were more than 73.26% of the total votes, then Strength cheated least.
To summarize, if cheat votes percentage of the total votes is;
Case 1) Less than 37.66%, then SC > FC > BC, meaning Strength cheated most, followed by Fury.
Case 2) Between 37.66% and 73.26%, then FC > SC > BC, meaning Fury cheated most, followed by Strength.
Case 3) Larger than 73.26%, then FC > BC > SC, meaning Fury cheated most, followed by Balance
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thGryphn October 01, 2014 04:18:56
Till now, it was just math talking. In my opinion, Case 3 (more than 73.26% cheat votes) is very very unlikely. I believe the most likely scenatio is Case 1.
Now, get your facts straight and make people read these posts before passing judgement ;)
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thGryphn October 01, 2014 04:23:53
Typo: should've said "TL = Total legit votes = FL + BL + SL"
11If cheat votes were under 37,66 % strenght voters cheated the most. If Cheat votes were over 37,66 % Fury voters cheated the most.
28You know I have to admit based on that that my math wouldn't work if we had over 1/3 cheats of total votes, I didn't take my calculus as far as that guy. I just based mine on election math, but I didn't really even consider there being possibility to that many cheats(nor how it would've effected order). I doubt I would ever even graduate in modern school if you need math that advanced to graduate. Of course easiest way would be really to calculate from votes directly if they gave them to us. Thx
11@ ramborusina: Don't worry, the reply from thGryphn was to me, I thought exactly like you. And though I haven't studied math, I consider myself quite good at it, especially "common sense" maths.
19Thank you, devs. We appreciate your hard work, and we appreciate that your team is working hard to look at the swarm of votes and work to make a fair system for all Heroes fans. Many of us are grumpy, but we're all expecting great things from your project.
12For me the cheaters have no lifes, or are little kids. I mean .. come on .. it's just a game. Of course I attend all these votes and want my choices to win, but if not, it's still Heroes and I will like it either way. If you really create fake accounts to win an online poll about a line-up in a PC game - GET A LIFE! ;)
14This is a real shame.
I really feel invested in this voting stuff as a pre-game incentive to build interest. (Originally I had planned to wait on MMH7, but now I'll probably want a collectors edition instead).
It's sad that some people go to such lengths to try to ruin things. I hope they can sort it all out so we can get on with the fun parts.
10I agree, voting on factions and lineups is keeping me very engaged with the development of the game and is making me more excited to see the final product.
23Also to cheaters: Devs had managed to understand your cheating before and now you did the same thing. Did i ever tell you the definition of insanity guys?
15Will you please ban those who cheated and put their account on display, including their main one?
17We are not really into witch hunts, but don't worry we keep the list of the accounts incriminated ;)
21maybe animated pit whit hydra and victim (cheater) trow to them in town screen ?
23Hey Kimmundi. thanks for going after these cheaters, we appreciate it but i have a question; are you going to use more radical methods to prevent cheating because unfortunetly captcha system was not enough.
Thank you for your considiration.
15Was there even a captcha? Don`t remember one, I always have problems with them.
28Yes, there is captcha. When you click to vote for something the captcha becomes visible requiring you to input it. Otherwise it doesn't accept your vote.
17YOU IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They were always going to check for this B.S you now you have delayed it for everyone.
I'm going to go out on a limb and blame crazy russian spammers
12I think so too. I told my friend like this but she's not listen to me at all. She wants faceless so she make new account. i thought it's impossible to do it because it's the same computer but she said that she can and nobody knows. Now they know OMG. i will tell her when she's about this after school. she will be very surprised.
15Its sad, that voices of actual new members will be removed as well. But overall it is unavoidable. The only problem is that they should remove those voices live, not in the end of voting.
23Really we honest members and developers have had enough of these morons but they just keep trying...
13And, now they need to spend precious time fixing the votes, time that they need to be spending on the game. So thanks a lot guys.
17"checking accounts is a time-consuming task and in addition of delaying results, we are also obliged to delay some content creation"
Pff, can cheaters realize this ?!
Dumb cheater... just wasting time.
23Thats great thank you devs. ı have been complianing about these cheaters for a long time now and you are taking necesary actions. Trust in developers is restored thank you again guys.
25I still don't understand why ppl keep doing this. You should know by now that this "cheating" does not work anymore. I really think if ppl keep doing this, they deserve a bann for a certain amount of time, maybe untill all the voting is over. Maybe that will make them learn that for each action there is a consequence.
15their Ubi accounts should get banned, so the can't play any Ubi game for a certain time. this would be awesome... but sadly its even harder to detect the "main" account of those idiots... :(
24Omg again ? ... sorry but its your fault, Ubisoft, if you allow just a single vote from 1 ip adress, this would never happen. + I dont understand why you dont hide the current result and show only the final results. Are those 2 things so hard to do ? .. or, even better idea, cancel all votes and decide your own lineups, its just generating hate for this game and this community. cheers
15democracy is a great thing. If people can't accept diffrent thoughts they are stupid as fuck, sorry.
I really like the voting system, i would have loved to play dwarfs, but hey Elves are fine too! (my sisters favorit race) So i even voted for elves instead of dwarfes!
Same with Inferno... i love inferno (my new main besides arcane thx to H6) but they lost! What now?
ACCAPT THE WILL OF THE WINNING "TEAM", ans stop crying.
Get some Balls and keep your Mind clear.
16Ah still some hopes for Medusas! Fingers and toes crossed!
Articun ObieżyświatNovember 06, 2014 17:56:27
To all cheaters whoever you might be:
1. Thank you, for your idiotic idea to influence the game in a faulty way and in the end delaying the game progression
2. Thank you for being so selfish as to take the whole community back from the new important information
3. Thank you for being so childish as to spent so much time in something only you consider to be the best option and thinking the rest of us idiots and without judgement.
For all it's worth, stop coming if you are to slow us down