Since the first freaking day we told you that we hated the "black dragon" from H6, but surprise, surprise! Here it is again...
What the hell do you do with our feedback? Do you even listen to us?
,,Hi rodaff, we are reading the blog all the time, but we don't give a **** about your feedback. Have a nice day."
Seriously! I don't get it! What were the devs THINKING when they DARED to keep the hated H6 model of the "black dragon". I am literally shocked they would dare to, I really am. Knowing the response they would get. They couldn't have been that naive to not know.
But that is my question too, WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH OUR FEEDBACK?!?
I'm actually not surprised at all lol
They are just trying as Erwan said in interview exactly as with Lich and Vampire ... and the response was: Well we tried, we certailny didnt expect that much negative feedback so we corrected it. It is sort of official - unless we spam here there wont be anything changed, no feedback will be heard. Ubi has "we can not please everyone" attitude. Additionally given the release date, there isnt really space for hearing the feedback anyway.
I like how the dragon looks excpet the upgraded one. The color doesn't fit for a BLACK dragon. At least we can MOD it easily to make it black. I'm kinda bored with the old dragon looks, they pretty much looked the same only in different color.
Hydra is awesome.
Well except for the yellow on the black dragons they actually look pretty cool. Nothing wrong with making something look a bit different than the classic styles
Never understood so much outcry for these dragons... They look pretty decent, IMHO. And dragon's style has been changing in all games (well, except in this one). I think people is so much blinded by H6 hatred wich, altough understandable, it is not the most constructive attitude.
We don't like it and they can still change it,that's all.
The Shadow Dragon is great like that and the Black Dragon is not enough black!
Le Shadow Dragon est vraiment bien fait, mais le Black Dragon est trop lumineux!
I disagree, these are the best dragons I've seen in Heroes so far.
The real problem is not so musch the design but the logic behind who really hurt me...
Why the hell the shadow dragon is a Black dragon? And why the ( supposedly) Dark dragon is a freaky yellow dragon???????????
Are you kidding me?
Well good point to ubi is the Hydra who looks awesome!
But please a DARK DRAGON SHOULD BE DARK!!!!!!!!!!!!
well i do like thehydras but the dragon rly needs improvement looks exactly like the old one make it look idk smth like Deathing from Warcraft universe with some black metal on it or smth like that and some dark blood bleeding from his chest or mouth idk use some imagination ...
Deathwing not that deathing sry:D
If they wanted our feedback, beta has not been closed then.
just like i xpected, poeple wanted black dragon, but devs made it a butterfly dragon.
its really funny to see people suprised by this.
OMG BLACK DRAGON IS A MUST VOTE DUNGEON
yeah vote dungeon my a**.
Glad to see there is still enough people here to make >50 upvotes rage posts possible :D
Please rename the Black Dragon name to Butterfly of Malassa or something, this isn't a Black Dragon.
Hydra is nice.
Nonetheless , beautiful butterfly =)
Butterfly wings or not, copy paste or not it still looks better then the dumb looking earth lizard from Sylvan.. If u imagine him without the wings he looks kinda dangerous. Though i don't understand the usage of that fairy powder for the wings.
Enter the magical world of Ashan, where Blackies look like butterflies lol
That is dead on, GalaadleHaut. I cannot believe that with all the other champion creatures, they remodeled them, like with the Seraph and Celestial, but with this Dungeon champion, one that had so much potential of being great, they just HAD to use the stupid model that no one liked... Didn't they? Really?!
That angers me. >:(
Dragon sucks, hydra rocks
Really kinda is as simple as that, Slumbrous.
No to purple butterfly!
Bring back the Black Dragon
I see two opcions:
1) They will chande the wings of both dragons and color of B.Dragon
2) Thay redesign Dragon and give us true Child of Malassa.
How about these wings?
This guy/girl has an awesome sense of style look at these as well.
http://sandara.deviantart.com/art/Green-Dragon-392101725 (There's a doe here as well haha in case u miss her)
I'm afraid that the only likely one is the 3rd option:
3. Someone talented (not me :D) remodels the dragon to look like a dragon
4. They will do nothing 100% and now 3. kicks in :)
Ubi why do you love this crap (Heroes VI Black Dragon model) so much? Just why!?
It maximizes profit / work ratio.
Coz one new model is so expensive... .
Old model is for free so you get something / 0 which is infinitely better than anything else. They claim that 3D models are very expensive, but I dont really believe that ... I was playing with 3D studio when I was 15 .. it cant be very difficult to make some decent models and put them to life especially for professional artist.
What most people hated about H6:
-only 3 creature tiers, overpowered elites, underpowered champions
-necropolis (or lack of it)
-areas of control
-countless creature models
Oh look, it's all back D:
Ubi sure cares about the environment with recycling all these foul things xD
The truth is too insane to handle lol
And the edit button is still nowhere to be found..
Modders have to fix so much things... -_-
Same people, same fate in H7 - a continuation. And UBI specialization is changing names and importing from other games.
Edit button is The Grail.
There won't be the edit button - it is a reserved feature for H8 XD
I'm worried some things can't be fixed... changing models, removing excessive magic schools and balancing is easy. But things like the skill system, or specializations that don't improve as hero levels up might be either set in stone and/or forcing them to work properly could prove too performance-heavy.. They claim the game's to be mod-friendly but the things about modding they've shown so far aren't too impressive...
That's because if they do implement such a button, it will crash the site for several days and make logins take even longer than they do now. :P
"Modders have to fix so much things"
Most won't be fixable, keep dreaming for open-source lol
Also, modding in h7 is map-based only so ...
Before modders can do anything about it, H8 will be on its way with its core feature - the edit button XD. Seriously though, they could also make H8 from H7 - UBI specials know the ropes.
Aw crap, maybe we should start collecting money to buy rights from Ubi.
Rework skill system, magic system, hero specials, creatures abilities, UI, AI, town building, adventure map, etc ...
Hehe... start making the game from scratch.
,,,,and I agree to wait to have other line factions ,,,,, ///
Our real hero is here! The champion!
True Story ^^
I have seen the Holy Grail!! lol
I wonder if 3DO and JVC were here making h7 woud you guys/girls now switch to mocking them that they didnt provide your staff the whay you like or woud you turn into religous cult hail evry thier move i guess we will never get answer for this question. And have a nice day
*3do publisher and whit nwc
@Eltheris There was quite a rage when 3DO and JVC wanted to include The Forge nation. So if you're trying to say people complain just because it's Ubisoft then it's really not a case.
Indeed, but these were total incults.
Why did you stick to those butterfly wings from H6 ? Just so you wouldn't have to model new ones? Shame on you... This is Not a might and powerful BLACK dragon we remember !
The aftermath of copy & paste.
And what about all the other champion's models? I don't see them reusing those? Why then, with the one that had SO much potential, the Black Dragon? WHY!
Ok, well, I'll try to say this as much politely as possible. ARE YOU REALLY SO STUPID OR IS IT JUST LAZINESS? ARE YOU REALLY SO STUPID AND UNABLE TO CREATE NEW MODEL FOR BLACK DRAGON- THE MOST ICONIC UNIT OF WHOLE HEROES? NOW YOU HAVE PROVEN THAT YOU DO NOT LISTEN TO THE FANS AT ALL!!
I wonder how many people will buy this so called game. This is just a broken piece of s**t with more than 50% things is just copied from H6-the worst heroes game ever. Take my advise and sell the righst to someone who knows how to make a heroes game, to someone who actually play heroes games or at least to someone who has more experience with developing games than just ctrl-c and ctrl-v
"the so called game" u made my day, lolki.
да, это неприятно, что внешне особо не изменили черных драконов((( но хватит ныть и оскорблять игру, которая еще даже не вышла!!! это же абсурд, называть игру говном даже толком не поиграв в нее!!!
Yes, it is unpleasant, that apparently has not changed much black dragons (((But enough whining and insult a game that has not even left !!! it's absurd to call the game by shit did not even play it !!!
If you ever find yourself wondering if Ubi listens to feedback or what do they do with it read the < https://mmh7.ubi.com/en/blog/post/view/skillwheel-the-design-philosophy > article and discover that they don't give a single fuck. Actually they think you're idiots for questioning their clearly superior ideas
Limbic "stepped into s**t" a Black Hole - there no comeback but destruction xd.
Why would they care about stupid fans' complaining when they have super cool visions of the Spider God? ;P
Then I think I want whatever they're smoking cause it must be good xD
It's nice sometimes to recall the past, thanks , Chiasa
They are probably smoking spider webs made by Erwan himself :D
@Chiasa - I guess it could be this: http://gothicworld.wikia.com/wiki/Green_Novice_%28Swampweed%29
Oh damn, there's no description on this page. ;/ Anyway, I meant the Swampweed from Gothic ;P
Erwan the Spinner xD I imagined... Nevermind
I think it's good to bring this article up from time to time, things easily get lost or forgotten here - would be shame if it did ^^
I rarely post on these forums, however I have to say that the shadow/black dragons are incredibly disappointing (as numerous others have already stated why). Incredibly ugly unit that do not do the faction justice and instill little sense of power. How funny that the one unit that is supposed to really signify this faction is just a recycled model with inconsistent style (Shadow dragon is darker than black dragon? An ethereal look as opposed to earthly like the rest of the units?).
You know those ppl are lazy rude bastards - they knew it we purely hated them in H6 and yet they copy the same design to H7!
When I look at "Black" dragon i can see how much you vs appreciate our feedback, thanks guys ;/
Butterflies are cool and all, but when do we get to see the Dragons?
I'm so excited! :D
When Erwan sees spiders, wonderful things happen =))))
Dying of laughter here xDDDD
Loool, Lizard, you're a genius. xD
Updated faction voting initiative:
Sylvan : http://strawpoll.me/5173173
Dungeon : http://strawpoll.me/5172521
Necropolis : http://strawpoll.me/5173927
Sanctuary : http://strawpoll.me/5174367
Stronghold : http://strawpoll.me/5175777
Castle : http://strawpoll.me/5175798
Motto : please make ashan better place
I please people who know how to cheat in this dont do it, not that this would matter anyway. I am very curious how would lineup voting end up if done this way. Thanks for every vote.
Thanks man, and if anyone tries to cheat, be aware your computer will self destruct after zounds of spiders comes out from motherboard to eat your guts.
I don't know if there's really any hope for Ashan. So many bad decisions have been made..
this would be amazing if developers would do this while creating a game, simple, easy, fair, 7 votes per lineup and pics to go with it, if it was maxed out with organization such as bios and pictures of every creature for every list from every game!?!? One giant voting platform to decide from where everyone has a voice in it, i think something we could push for 8 maybe. Well done, building blocks for sure.
I agree, three games and a decade, Ashan had its chance. I say, let the Void win and start all a new. It is for the best.
I must be one of the few people who liked Fate Weavers :3
Just noticed Academy is missing though, Mediczero you want to do it?
Inferno, Fortress, too.
Any suggestions for academy units aside of those already in H1-H7? Or is 15 enough?
Dervish could have a try I guess
Anything else? I have to say I have no idea what Derwish is :) but the more the better.
It would be more instructive if you could limit the number of votes per faction to 8, so as to incentivise voters to construct a lineup and cut out creatures they wouldn't be willing to put in one.
@ Sylv4n2005 : nono, it doesnt matter how many votes you make, you can vote all of it if you like all of it, statistically most people should be happy in the end. Voting should be just idea generating thing, small changes to order is acceptable in the spirit of making game balanced / not stupid, some units may have duplicite role especially in stronghold as I dont have a clue what all those mele units did in H6.
Tower / Academy : http://strawpoll.me/5176095
Feel free to copy the list of votings from time to time to fresh positions so we get most votes possible. We can make second round with included other ideas of people, but name of creature isnt sufficient, perhaps supplied with some link to image / wiky what it actually is.
"nono, it doesnt matter how many votes you make, you can vote all of it if you like all of it, statistically most people should be happy in the end. "
I guess, I just thought it'd make sense to try constrain the number you could pick to those which you'd absolutely want to see in most, but I suppose you're right if just looking at individual unit popularity.
Any ides for inferno units included in next voting aside of those already present?
Inferno : http://strawpoll.me/5176453
You should divide Succubuses between H5 and H6. H5 ones crash those of H6.
The same applies to Pit Fiends.
And cerberuses, too.
@ merenefere1282: well I did with pit fiend and deamon as those looked too distinctive, but point of this votings should be to gather overall popularity of units, afterwards there should be design voting for each unit and perhaps some lineups / small reorders could be made then where unit role / abilities would be also mentioned. It turns out that voting which we got from ubi shuold have been second stage of voting so obvious unpopular units arent included in lineups and most popular are in all.
Sometimes you divide the versions. I think, say, Succubuses from H5 cannot be compared to those crappy ones in H6. They are very much distinctive. As for the, say, Pit Fiends, you divided H3 ones and blended together H5 with H6 ones. This can be misleading again because their quality and designs are not comparable.
Well I havent played H6 much and from image on ubi H6 site succubus seemed similar between H5, H6 same as pit fiend. But if we will make ever 2nd round of this votings I can include 2 variants for those. I have absolutely no problem with that.
I mean, H5 designs do not deserve to be blended with MMH6 whatsoever.
Everything must be included. Animations, look, sound effects etc. Succubuses have unique sound effects in H5, for instance.
Thanks for changing it.
That's a great initiative! thanks for that!
I really wish the dev team would had done something like that, a long time ago, when decisions could still be made and things could have been changed... To bad they give us no real change to give a say about the game...
Ah, just a detail, wouldn't be better to split the versions of each unit? Like, I voted for Bladedancer, but for the bladedancer from H5, not this abomination we have on H7 so far...
Also, I really belive Ashan can be a better place. but they should go back to H5 ashan, not try to push H6 ashan again...
My spider :)
The Justicar/swordsman are the same unit.
aaaand, same black dragon from H6. WHY U SO LAZY UBISOFT?
i think i'll be just as lazy and won't bother buying this game untill less patient ones grill it first, maybe i'll buy after the second expansion.
it seems only then will the game be complete and balanced, or would it? who knows, with such lazy artwork i can only assume it's the same with other game features just like in the colossal failure that is H6.
i'm seeing the almost weekly version updates just oround the corner...