SITUATION OF SHADOW COUNCIL:
excellent everyone up vote you have to see it!
That actually looks legit.
totaly :-) lol
I died my friend :D
I refuse to comment on that, but funny comic! :D
The Shield of Darkness
most iconical creatures expect Medusa is there. and also it has only one dark elf, which makes it even more awesome. its nearly a dream-line up. vote for it guys, its much better than The Blade From The Shadows.
Malassa's Thousand Faces are good too but it kicks Evil eye/Beholder/Lurker + Manticore. kicking out 2 iconical creature for 1 iconical creature + 1 random elf unit isnt better really.
vote for the darkness!
why can't we have troglodyte, harpy and beholder as core units.
Medusa, minotaur and manticore as the elites.
Finally red dragon as the champion unit.
How hard was that for me to solve the problem of what to put in the roster.
Wow, always thought the most iconic Dungeon/Warlock creature is the black dragon, not some troglodyt..
i really understand you, why the hell they have to put dark elves and cut out iconical creatures, i cant understand that!
no harpy okay but also no medusa?
no harpy okay but no beholder+manticore?
what the heck?
they allready in all 3 line-ups, why do you even talk about them?
i hear you, so far i voted malassa, but i like the shield also... i hope they show us units before this weeks up.
i don't like the first line-up, it feels to mutch like a sylvan copy... and i want dungeon to feel different than the sylvan's.
What ? You started to talk about iconic units, Im just correcting you. I don´t care which one will win, so chill up ;P
We're voting for H7 Dungeon not H3 Dungeon. None of those creatures you mentioned in your OP are iconic outside of H3 Dungeon (except the lurker who appeared in Asylum, but then again, so did the Nightmare).
@ urukia132132 : I guess that would be just too good and too few of ashanification
@ KhanOfSlaughter : Yes but game is labeled "game for fans". You really think that H6 fans outweight H1-H5 fans? H5 was not really that much of ashan ... we even had original resources. I think requesting H3 dungeon lineup is perfectly reasonable. Its even cheaper to do. Its nobrainer for me.
Why do we have H6 fans, H5 fans or H3 fans? I consider myself a Heroes fan. All line-ups have a good representation of H3 in them, so to vote for the one that has the most, just because it's similar to one heroes game is not a good reason in my mind. Hence why I said we're voting for H7 Dungeon.
And my major issue with the OP was that the "iconic" creatures mentioned weren't iconic in the least.
P.S. the fans are voting against the most H3-similar line-up.
O yes, they are iconic. And to your ps ... yes well iconic units are splited into 2, therefore fans are devided, also blade voters are obviously trolls from inferno loosers. Or you think that people actually want purple teleporting undeground living unicorn? I guess I am getting too old for this kind of shocking design choices. Back in my days such ideas were domain of lunetics.
Evil eye, manticore and troglodyte are NOT iconic Dungeon creatures. Here's how many times they've appeared in a Warlock themed town:
Evil eye: 3/6
As opposed to the real iconic creatures:
1)Shield resembles most old warlock from HoMM 1 & 2 with very though units
2) Shield resembles most old Dungeon with their line-up in terms of units chimera, lurks, troglodytes
3) Shield has 2 shooters and 3 flyers (lurk is flyer also) so resembles tactics of Dungeon from hoMM3 and gives many options
4) Shield units give best abilities and otpions to annoy oponent
5) Shield, still has some new tactic aspects of Dungeon from M&M: Heroes 6
6) all their units suit each other
GO BLADE.......................................................................lose to SHIELD.
but why? Shadow Unicorn/Nightmare? and it will be teleporting? That will be awful....
I agree with marcin. Uni sucks agains troglodyte and dusa/monticore.
Isn't this a shield supporter?
Why Blade is the worst :
- We already have an offensive lineup with Sylvan, and Skirmirsher will probably be Bladedancers copycats.
- Two teleports in Elite, speak about variety in battle strategy...
- One of them is a Unicorn ?????????????
- Sorry but Faceless sucks, one of the worst units ever proposed by Ubisoft.
- At least it has Minotaur, Blackies and Hydras, so I'll OK if it wins, but still....
People please consider.
We have necro and haven as defensive factions so shield is out. Both haven and sylvan are almoast identical in unit types with faces Only real difference being buff was turned to debuff. Do we really need defensive dungeon or another copy of haven? No! we need offensive dungeon that has totally different type of troops compared to other factions and that is blade! Once you gain some skills blade Will be the dungeon for you. I know it's Hard to play for noobs, but you'll get better and learn! :)
Ekohippi: For real, even Marzhin has said that the attributes given (offensive, balanced and defensive) ain't really that much different as it sounds. Even with shield, Dungeon will likely be a very offensive faction, not a snowballs chance in hell that it will be an offensive one, even though the text suggests it. It is badly written. It is just going to be a tad more defensive, like going from glass cannon to a normal cannon.
Even with two days left we get people like this..."shield is defensive...so it's out"
There is just no hope for this crowd
What's the best kind of unit for attacking a town? A flying strike-and-return (no shooter penalty,stays outside walls in safety). Blade has it
What's the best units to make use of flanking in the new battleground schemes? Teleporters and S&R's, Blade has them
How do you get the most damage out of a core unit? A melee attacker that flanks and has an additional bonus for backstabbing and does this all while invisible so you can't counter his backstab, Blade has it
Vote BLADE for ultimate offense.
Yup, vote them for a fireball destroying your whole army in turn one :P
Just imagine how weak this army would be. They all will die if just one cabir fart..
Dungeon isnt an all out offensive line-up. But i agree blade is more offense than the other 2 options.
Still it lacks control, the faceless should be a spallcaster.
strike and return is definitley useful for attacking towns but I would rather use a normal flier to block the enemy rangers. Fast fliers like the manticore and dragon are especially nice because you can choose to wait, then you get two units with basically two turns in a row (if u get dragon) to wreck havoc.
With their unrivaled initiative, not before dishing out a shitload of damage they ain't.
@SlumbrousShip5 strike and return isnt that useful in siege maps, since walls have moats, ur unit will get stuck in them and its atk is interrupted.
If that's what you need then there's an option in S&R's to stay and not return. Also there's another teleporter for that.
I'm pretty sure Faceless will be a spellcaster
yea but like others said, strike and return units have been known to have low defensve in exchange for what you said, unrivaled initiative. Where as the manticore has decent hp and defense while still maintaining a swift initiative. But yea they got the shadowcorn for that i guess.
yea i keep thinking the shadowcorn is a S and R unit. But faceless/harpies wouldnt have the moat problem.
I think the unicorn will be more like the vampire, with his style of teleport!
Маленький очерк к сказанному ниже - альтернатива полету в лице телепортации - не такая и плохая , по моему это как раз добавляет стратегический элемент играбильности, на хромание которой жаловались в FURY Лесного Союза . В целом все достойные варианты, НО НО НО - все таки мы выбираем подземелье с ТЭ во главе, а не стадо монстров под их предводительством. Искренне думал , что эльфов будет больше и вернуть Ведьм , не судьба значит им еще. Народ , будьте благоразумны и голосуйте за 7ку , а не 3ку )
Я вжу тут сейчас модно высказывать свое мнение , так вот мое . Во первых - не пойму радости людей орущих голосовать за 1000 лиц и Щит только потому что там триглодит , медуза и мантикора . Ладно бы они были в одном из вариантов , а так - это детский сад . Нравится анализ вариантов с точки зрения играбельности. Объективно , вариант Щит - ни о чем . Все таки это Лига Теней , а не зоопарк. Потому искренне агитирую за 1й или 2й вариант , будьте благоразумны , ребята.
Не зоопарк, а бестиарий. Ты уже не в детском саду, умей различать - зоопарк это волки и олени.
Кроме того - голосуют за щит, потому что герой подземелия обычно специализируется на сильной магии наносящей прямой урон. А следовательно его юниты должны выполнять две роли - держать удар пока он разбирается и контролировать вражеских существ. При этом лучшая защита большое количество хп и защита от магии с саботирующими способностями дополняют героя намного лучше чем юниты для ближнего боя с низкой
защитой как у темных сильванов. Кроме того - кто-то говорит, что телепорты помогут брать замки - но видимо не замечает, что если кто-то телепортируется в замок, ему придется иметь дело со всей армией противника разом - могут юниты с низкой защитой выдержать это? или все что произойдет с ними в форте останется в форте? Что касается телепорта удара и возвращения без no retaliation - ну влетит он в замок к оркам например, ну укусит бегемота за ногу - получит по щам и улетит назад (возможно уже
мертвым.) Это сильно поможет? Тем более куча одинаковых способностей делает геймплей более скучным. Другими словами щит намного лучше дополняет героя эльфов, чем лезвие.
Ну, наверно, лучше когда израненные юниты по одному проникают через разломы в стенах, где их ждут все те же целые армии? А так, летуны/телепортеры наведут шороху за вражескими стенами, может даже заблочат на какое-то время вражеских лучников, что уменьшит потери ждущих за стенами юнитов. Всякие безликие и вовсе будут наводить шорох, не подставляясь под вражеские армии.
Faces vs Shield for the 2nd round
Let's all hope that happens.
Make that blade vs faces and we are solid. Just imagine that strider is h5 Iron golem painted purple and Black cape... Or troglo being the frog from h4 painted purple... This way we could still get something different from them. If faces vs shield it could turn out to be vote of crap vs shit since they are so much alike if we get bad info regarding strider and troglo...
I hope too :)
face voters! hope you will change some votes to help shield get to the finale!
@Ekohippi Of course, you have seen the final design of Troglodytes and striders and what their ability excatly does. Could you show us that designs?
If you don't like Shield, Ok, there is no problem; but don't say "faces vs shield it could turn out to be vote of crap vs shit" because that's not truth. Don't you like them? Perfect! But we can think different. Your opinion is not the reality. The reality is that every line-up is good and, depend od the person, x line-up is better that the other.
Agree with stormhelico on the oppinion thing.
Also shield and faces are not basically the same line-up as you want to make it sound ekohippi.
Even though both line-ups need 1-2 tweaks to be great and fitting for dungeon (dungeon isnt dungeon without strike n return) they are both miles more solid than Blades. Blades offers nothing beside rush down all-in; its very limited and i feel sorry for the Hydras. Might as well use auto combat all the time lol
Only appealing thing Blades has is the hit n run mechanic... but thats not nearly enough to justify a vote & is an extremly bad design choice to give it exclusivly to one line.up anyways. Worst design choice i have seen so far for this game... even compared to h6 flaws it would make a top spot in my book.
it will be a hard choice then ;-)
hmmm after giving some thought I'm switching from Blades to Shield
Thank you! Great choice!
Good move !!!
Can't believe it!
Epic choice !
No, every other unit but faceless
Every other unit but Strider... What is it? Academy? ;-;
I probably won't like Striders too, but let's wait for the story behind them.
Please dev-team, make different types of heroes; I mean: facelss heroes, minotaur heroes, dark elves heroes...But not only in Dungeon. Also in the other factions. Angel heroes, justicar heroes, priest heroes, wizard heroes, alchemist? heroes, genies heroes, lich heroes, vampire heroes, lich heroes, ghost heroes, goblin heroes, orcs heroe, chaman heroe, druid heroes, dryad heroes, elf heroes... Many types of heroes in every factions. Please dev-team!
they said they will try... we'll see. I hope so !
I'm pretty sure Marzhin said on the Heroes Community forums that a certain minotaur named Darkstorm is slated to return in H7. :3
That's good news. Thanks!
He was not sure, but he will try !
After all... minotaurs as might heroes, and dark elves as magic heroes ?^^
Also, not confirmed, but the Haven magic hero model they've been showing off a lot looks like it may potentially be an Angel sub-class. At least, that's how it looks to me.
.....), ---.(_(__) /
....// (..) ), ----"
is going to second part vote
у меня покрупнее будет )))
So I still can't believe in such regress of Faces (((( But we have this 36% of Blade. It is a fact. With a pain in my hart I can agree with that "strike and return" but erase that stupid horse PLEASE!!! Change to manticore or even to space marine with bazooka... But Not Not Not the horse!!!
I can't imagine good game with that horned abomination. Why? Why Horse? Only to save some money on developing really good creature? What madness is this?
No faceless!! That's for sure
I feel like they are many one-time blade votes
omg pls not unicorn in dungeon!!!!!!!!!!!! ...medusa is better
...and Manticore is the best!
Manticore was in Heroes VI...new unit will be better...so medusa pls :)