An as you are improving some visual elements, please, give us better townscreen!! #GUBTS
I´m glad to see that I´m not the only one that see that statement this way. +1
Please developers, do not underestimate townscreens.
There are many of us wishing this to happen
@Iwan, I belive many of us, if not almost all of us, wish for better townscreen. Just hope the dev team see this too.
Please, don't let these current town screens continue to stain what might otherwise be a really good game. As of now, they're bringing down the entire experience.
never give up :D
One can only hope for the best. "Some visual elements"...'some'....
The game needs better townscreens.
Offtopic: It´s Iwane. You hurted my goblin pride ;(
violetcoffee February 24, 2015 19:28:52
never give up
http://s1370.photobucket.com/user/Galaadlehaut/media/fanmadehavenanim_zpsg8o9i8rd.gif.html Just in case devs didn't see it i'll post this fanart good looking townscreen made by Galaad: http://s1370.photobucket.com/user/Galaadlehaut/media/fanmadehavenanim_zpsg8o9i8rd.gif.html
If there is one thing that needs to be improved, it is to remove the spider legs from Necropolis. That is about it.
IwanE!!! Forgive me! Never gonna do this mistake again!
Towns don't need legs...
Sorry @Iwane, didin't mean to break your goblin pride ^.^
By the way, how is it possible that article arts are better than townscreens :D?
I think the town screen issue needs more spamming. Its most upvoted comment, people talk about it all the time, but evidently devs do not see it or ubi refuses to improve on this issue. Well exactly same scenario repeats as with H6 where also townscreens have been underestimated to such extent that in fact there were none.
instead of spamming here, spam on te most upvoted comment. Chances to be seen by more people are bigger I think.
There is not much to add there. Fact is that only 2 things were changed by fans here - random skills and some necro rework - both by spamming. Devs write that they dont support spamming, but it seems that it is only sufficient signal for them to pay atention to this.
@Logical yep, that is the sad truth regarding our communication with devs... Only spamming works :/
Sadly true even if I do not support spamming as well.
But really hope that we'll get a message from the team about the townscreens issue. I don't think what we're asking for needs a lot of time to be done and I can't imagine having townscreens looking better in H3 than in H7.
According to devs its insanely expensive, yet some fans do it alone in their free time better than paid professionals at ubi. Modelling 3d city + some texture works should be posible to do by 1 man in 1 month for sure. Besides even 2D ... they have their own ubiart framework used in rayman ... why didnt they use that. They have all the tools they could possibly need.
Remember: asha uses all (*except the fans. They cannot help with by apporting material).
Is it not too late for that, considering where they are in the development process? If they have to edit all town screens AND some Necro units, we'll never get this game in 2015, and who knows what has to be sacrificed?
Besides, it's impossible to please everyone. Even a modified townscreen with extra walls and a more logical build-up might still not move everyone's heart. That being said, the Haven TS needs that angel building somewhere else. Some changes wouldn't hurt I guess.
At least we won't be getting H5-esque screens, that much is certain. H6 was 2d too, with animations. The Sanctuary-screen was pretty mindblowing. H3 wasn't always that logical etiher. Basically what we get is H3-style with new graphics. And since they wanted to return to the roots, you can hardly blame them.
Of course, nowadays technology and graphics are far more advanced, so there would be little excuse to NOT continue H5's tradition...
Just don't ruin our forum by spamming. Not again.
The complaint about the Haven town was the lack of walls around most of the city. Well, since fights in Heroes always take place at the front door, that doesn't really matter. Visually it may seem odd, but gameplay-wise it has no consequences. H5's Necro wall had gaps in it. How many walls do you see in H3's Castle town? There is open access to the city from the river behind, where the Colossus is located.
H5's Academy. Miles into the air, it seems. No ground...so how do you explain the battle
If they rush this game I will just wait until H8. I will not buy another H6. So by postponing release date they in fact shorten my waiting as H8 would be perhaps in 3-5 years. I really do not care if H7 will be in 2015. There are plenty other much better games out there to waste time with. From what I seen here H7 unfortunatelly does not compete very well.
I do, however, admit that there should be some more normal dwellings. H3 had that, H5 had that etc...
It may not yet be too late to ask for changes, maybe it is, how sure can we be? I do not support spamming, especially if not everyone, or just a few for that matter, think something should be changed. I can fully understand that you take issue with it, but you must take others into consideration.
We try to have a good time here, it's hard enough already with those trolls.
I'm afraid we have been spoiled by Heroes V... Now our expectations are too high... But why don't take some of the outstanding artworks pubklished on this web-side? Maybe the impressive picture of a necropolis-town (above) https://mmh7.ubi.com/de/factions/necropolis
??? The relation to the spider cult can be seen in the obelisks... In the impressively pyramid you can see the real power of the necropolis... That is real scarry... It is just... necropolis!
@Marble but the problem is devs attitude towards the TS. If we have fans here possibly with no real expertise editing and doing better TS than devs with professionals something is seriously wrong... And since we are here to "help" with development they could allow us to submit our versions of TS since theirs are so hated and disliked. I'm pretty sure many who've submitted their versions of TS would be honored to have them in game even with no compensation so it wouldn't even cost them really...
True, and that is a far better option. If people have ideas about better town screens, let them prove it by making their own versions. Simply spamming "GIVE US BETTER TOWNSCREENS" has no strength because you fail to mention what has to be changed. It is anything but constructive.
People's artworks and ideas are much, much better. The devs should take it into consideration, but there's always the question if they agree it is better, or rather stick to their own work.
I still think that some improvement, like longer wall, would be very better.
Well, for me it's really simple. Better townscreens = better climate = higher interest in the game = more money.
Besides, logical.dust, how can you be certain H8 will be much different? Maybe if there's a new developer, if there's a new team, if there's new (insert option here). You can't be sure of that until it happens, and even then it is possible that a new team wants to continue where the other one left off rather than innovating and doing wild, new stuff (which is in itself also a possibility of course).
No, are expections are high because Ubi said they wanted to create the "best" Heroes game. And especially after the disaster of H6 a lot of fans wanted that Ubisoft made it "right" again or sell the franchise to some publiser/developer that does know what it is doing. From the very beginning Ubisoft created expectation that is already out of thier reach. It won't ever becomde the "best" game, but it still could become good. But they have to do far better then they have now.
And trust me Marble, if this becomes another disaster there will be a movement that will try to get Ubi to sell this franchise.
If that happens, one can only hope that the new developer doesn't make an even bigger mess.
@Blueraven yeah, It's the same for me. The more areas devs cut corners in, the less I'm willing to pay for it or buy it at all.
i dont see any reason why woud they sell license to heroes game, money will still flow from heroes online and duel of champions ;)
It was all their fault, again. If they did a bit of research, they would understand in which Heroes versions, town screens were most popular and complimented. Surely, it wasn't H4 layout or H6, which is the exact combination they are are doing for H7. The matter of 2D and 3D is another, but the layout, the feel of it, the uniqueness, the town/kingdom range, the dwellings not being only built structures ... Jesus, why they suck so much in doing TSs?
The biggest reason will be that no one will buy another Heroes games from Ubisoft (only idiots will buy them or ppl who can't give Heroes up and are beeing suckers for it). And i don't think that those online games will bring that much money to Ubisoft.
But we still have to see what will happen. The game might actually become good. But it will never become the "best" Heroes game, for that Ubi has made too many mistakes already.
@Marbelthrone: I wonder why are we the only two guys here who know what work schedule is. People spamming won't help as none of you wrote anything here about how TSs could be done right at this point in development. You all act like devs just have started working on the game. But as you see above we are in alpha and there is no turning back.
@Zatra I did put 8 suggestions for the necro TS on "the city of the spidercult"-topic(currently has 21 up votes). Also many have edited the townscreens to be better and posted here. And since the very early times community has give critique and ideas for TS, unfortunately none of it gets through.
And what comes to schedules, I don't want a crappy(I know you love this word) game to be released just because they wanna hold on to a set release date. It's devs problem if they made bad deal with ubi
If they want to keep in schedule, they shouldn't even bother us with their articles and get this game done then. Whatever happens later, they'll deal with it, if everything cannot be redone, reworked or re-whatever else due time schedule, budget or lack of creativity and common sense.
Yeah sometimes i wonder if they just shouldn't have involved us to begin with and just make the game and hope we like it. Now it just feels that they tried giving us a voice, but we still could not be heard.
People did presented ideas, distastes and many points for them to data mine in many sites all around to start proposing a very better H7 holistically speaking. That didn't happen and we are not to blame. Now, they must hear, AGAIN.
@ Marblethrone : well, if there wont be H8 or if it will be in 10 years so be it. I am not so desperate that I will play medicore game. Time is too valuable ... so when I am pointlessly wasting it, I at least have ton of fun while doing so. After H6 I will think trice before buying another heroes game from them.
So, we ran out of things to discuss already, only left to ponder on how they will implement MECHANICS in this game, giving that they are leaving MECHANICS for last, and it seems they don't want to share nothing about MECHANICS at the moment. Did I mentioned I would love seeing some properly explained MECHANICS? Also, love seeing properly explained and funny to play MECHANICS game play wise? I hope they are using MECHANICS to play their alpha, or the game will not be much fun.
Maybe it is just a too long word for them to pronounce or spell?
Yeeeaaah, and that renders them unable even to speak about it. Fight Club rule.
Well, I've only been asking for the mechanics related articles personally since the start, but hey I'm glad we get Q&A with "important" questions answered and ton on basically lore-related articles. Same kinda useful questions answered with twitch back then too... "Can we upgrade our troops?" "Do heroes level up?", "how many towns can we capture?" We've only had few articles with actually game-mechanics properly explained in them. I guess one can always hope for good game... -.-
Had a big smile reading you comment.
They said some words about Mechanics:
Main formula: Full Damage = (Attacker's Attack - Defender's Defence) * Attacker's Damage
Damage of Hero's Attack
Creature's Attack = Basic Attack + Hero's Might
Creature's Defence = Basic Defence + Hero's Defense
It would be really nice if some fans stopped to act as if they know better than everyone (and dev team) how to produce a game. It is not just listing wishes
The behavior of some is really ridiculous, ready to throw all the game away without testing it first because of one or two points
"Listening to fans"? Which ones? Even a simple line-up vote showed there is no overwhelming majority for anything. I am as a fan as Galaad or Jeremiah, and I don't agree with their views on spiders or male druids
You know what, go and eat some spider. :P
Maybe it is not just listing wishes, but you can't expect to have a good game if the devs go on their own. Sure, you may like spiders, but there are hundreds of fans that outraged on such a unit. Just see the most upvoted comment on article when the Necro line up was first posted and you'll see what I mean.
Yeah I'm open to the idea of Necropolis getting undead spiders. Last time around I thought the idea of 'sharkmen' in Sanctuary was utterly ridiculous but they grew on me. Spiders can work well. People are just stubborn about what they believe belongs in Necropolis as if the town is their own intellectual property.
calm down mate. Everyone has the right to express their own opinions.
Then again, "shark men" were as new as the Sanctuary faction, so that can be tolerated a bit.
Spiders? Not so much. Besides, it is not clear how namtaru disappeared and suddenly spiders appear. And not only that, but it is strange you would worship an (undead) being that is so common.
'shark men' were ANOTHER creature created by the wizards, who didn't even appear in the game. At least spiders make sense lore-wise. 'shark men' was a random combination creature.
We are expressing our opinions, because that's what this site is supposed to be for.
Listening to which fans? Well, the majority of fans. Most upvoted comments etc.
Lol sure. As if we did forget that Ubi wanted our help to create the "best" Heroes game. Also we DO know what is best, especially since they DON'T know what is best (look at freaking H6 that is good enough evidence). We gave them advice for years, and yet still they won't admit that they made such big mistakes.
Sure they can't change much anymore. But they do owe us after H6.
Maybe i do have become an old grumpy bastard. But Ubi has showed time and time again taht they can't handle it.
The most upvoted comments indicate that the majority of the fans are very disappointed and that's a fact.
Nice one, but what about SIMULTANOUS TURNS ? If it won´t be there just say it.
Would be great, make online games go much faster!!
Heroes 6 didn't have Simultaneous Turns... Look! 4x more player playing multiplayer on Heroes 5 than heroes 6 even today!
Give us simultaneous turn and improve it so it stays activated even when players already met
"but be prepared for something big, wild and fierce!"
Or just another random Cyclops....
I dont want see cyclop this time. -_-
hmmm behemot, cyklop or maybe war oliphant its big,wild and maybe fiercy ;)
Well, they are in the trailer...unless Behemoths have one eye in the world of Ashan...
Cyclop in H3 was best in my opinion (T6 unit). Althought it wasnt that bad in H5 as T7, I still would prefer Behemonth on T7.
I want the cyclops to return to the throwing rock elite. Crushing walls and units with those rocks felt good.
Behemot is not confirmed.....
Why noy both behemoth and cyclop, or cyclop as siege weapon ;)
A want a good design for the Behemoth, I hope the devs learned from the lich and vampire fiasco
Cyclopses was very nice before it became a giant meatball.
BEHEMOTH FTW -- http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb257/HodgePodge_Pics/Behemoth_Basketball.gif
Good day Councilors! Some of you showed interest in my intent of reviving the Swamp faction with up to date designs, so here is the latest one. I do hope you like it. Cheers!
It feels they are drooling a bit... and they look quite heavy to fly with those wings. Otherwise, it is nice.
Very nice !
I like the fact that they look like rabid monster. Although I dislikes the fact they were so fragile in H3,
It be nice if they were reintroduced but with the 'no retalation' ability. :P
wow nice! :))
I respect people who make new things!
If and I hate this unit now I like it!
Thank you everyone! If you haven't seen them yet, here are the Gnolls and the Lizardmen
I also tried some sort of a description below each image.
mediczero: I want them too :). EnergyW: I agree they look a little heavy for those wings but I'm trying to be as faithful as I can to the original concept.
Yeah, I guess it is. Also, nice lizardmen and gnolls. The the latter looks it has not been vaccinated...
I'll watch you...
Yeah, I was going for mental instability for the majority of the gnoll marauders ("failed experiments" and all)... I'm glad it shows :))
Again, thank you!
Is it sad that I prefer this to many of the cannon designs so far?
I haven't seen any cannons yet. Maybe if they bring back Cove we can get some.
Lol, funny but I meant the official artworks.
Great work Kobaltmaster. I love it.
@Niwroc The only problem I see from the factions shown so far is 3D design. Not talking about all the creatures but imo, the team's art work is great but when it comes to 3D, some creatures look bad. Of course, I'm talking about the Necro 3Ds.
Long live the Swamp :)
I know the Academy town is supposed to be floating but...
Could be a nice town screen, for sure.
I'm up for it!
this is great. I prefer this one over the one we have now. I would love a good city standing on the desert.
Much better than the actual town-screen, kinda sad really for the TS :(
@Jeremius: And together with the "Sultan's Palace" song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4vuXA5Zjic) you posted in the Necro article it would be quite epic.
Very nice indeed.
agreed. It really fits indeed.
Why floating? That's just a H5 proposition anyway.
The picture is very neat. ^^ This town is supposed to have walls indeed. In H5, walls seemed not to have a purpose, because the whole thing was floating. In H7, it's only standing on an abyss, floating, but also easily accessible by land - worst thing ever.
That would be a great TS
Can you please add more neutral units that can be recruited into your heroes army.Especially if they are of your own faction.It only makes sense to have a small added bonus for the chance.Any word on neutrals at all would be nice to hear.
@Zarin-Sha: I also hope for many neutral creatures! It could be nice, if there are creatures which belong to the same fraction like unicorns to the sylvan fraction and some creatures which stay for themselves like azure-dragons as the most powerful creature in Heroes III and hopefully also in Heroes VII.
So this articles was saying: "dev team is working and doing it's best. For stronghold don't expect any changes once it's revealed since we have everything ready and set for it" ? So no news for today I guess?
Yeah, those are my thoughts reading all this.
It does imply something along those lines...Stronghold will be fixed, and I hope they'll be beyond awesome.
I would hate to experience another shitstorm and demand for reworking. That will only be bad for other game elements.
@Marble don't worry, as long as it doesn't feel like recycled h6 orcs and behemoth is there I think people will be happy with the orcs.
Aaaand the devs don't have much money to afford another mistake. And to repair it.
Stronghold another recycled faction? I hope not.
YEEAAH!! BEHEMOTHS RETURN!!! THE REAL ICONIC CREATURE OF STRONGHOLD!!!
I want to see stronghold!
Why the hell does everyone think about Behemoths?
They might as well be our good-old Cyclopes. Or...two champion units, both Cyclopes AND Behemoths?
That would make everyone happy.
indeed mate !:)
You do not like behemoths?;(
Oh, sorry, did not understand correctly=)
Behemoths were powerful units in H3's Stronghold, and they would definately be of good use in Ashan. So that's why we should dream about having Cyclopes and Behemoths TOGETHER in the faction.
Well, they have to be in the Stronghold;), well, it would be nice to see Rocs or Wyvern.)
Behemoths and cyclops will be great and will suit good as H3 also has been placed in the desert and most fans will not try to burn them if they include those creatures in the faction :P
Where did you read that??
I dont want to see two walker dmg dealers as champions in Stronghold. Maybe i havent read properly but where did they mention BEHEMOTH?
@Matooob They are just supposing it. Also, I agree, I don't want two walker champions. What if the Cyclops is like an archer? You know, with the red beam coming from his eye, like one of the alternative upgrades in Heroes V.
I still don't understand why some ppl consider what Ubi and Limbic has done so far is considered any good?
I am eagerly awaiting someting to blow my mind and make me really like what they have done with this game. But for now it is 70% dissapointment and the rest is either hope or beeing interrested in the game. What i am really looking forward to is game mechanics, i think this could save the game (atleast for me).
Yup. So far, it's just another 'meh' game.
You're right. There are only few things I am really excited about now.
I'd also add that everyone is ignoring the graphics, design, townscreens and 3D models because they believe that everything will be put into the game mechanics. I just wonder what quality will be the mechanics if a trivial parts have been already failed and they simply are under average.
I'll hold the final judgement till reviews/beta, but for now I do agree. I think their main focus is on graphics. Every time something gets asked it's that they have no money or they are spending it on more important things, but I would like to see those important things eventually... I mean it certainly isn't abilities to make battles interesting, it ain't TS, it ain't creatures that get recycled from h6 so I guess the only option is either making battles aside abilities good or skill-system..?
I think thier main focus is to get new fans. I mean look at this post and the last Q&A. It feels like in the last few articles they just forget about the "old" fans (i know this is not really true, but sometimes it is ridiculous how they try to get new "fans").
There's not much to be excited yet, maybe only the academy line up.
Town Management :
"Most elements are here already functional but we will continue to improve some visual elements"
I wouldn't say that just "improvement is needed", but at least you're trying.
To tell you the truth, I gave up hope for the town screen...
Yeah,I'm afraid ugly town screens are here to stay, devs never responded to our criticism. I suppose I could live with it if gameplay is really good, sadly that's something we don't know much about yet
Incredibly, what they most try to toss at us, such as artwork, is something they still fail at doing, in the case of TSs. But I'm starting to give up hope on having good game play in this game, until it's to late to improve them in any way, unless counting a DLC years after release.
I was really excited about this game until I saw the towns. :(
Yea, some food to chew but nothing to discuss. Devs, give us some good thread for flame and rage. ^^
Or to celebrate
@Matooob, doesn't matter. There will always be two sides. Both rage and glory :D
Flaming and raging is not discussing, and certainly not a tasty meal to chew on. If you really want to start a flamewar, go on a trolling spree like some others around here :P.
Speaking of which, regardless of the thread there will always be trolls we can be furious about.
Marblethrone, u take it too serious brotha ;) That was an irony. And I'm not against some hot discussions like when we were discussing dungeon lineup or smth.
I may have missed that discussion altogether, I think I only voted xD.
But I was there when masses of angry people fetched the pitchforks and torches to...well...'say something' about the Necro elites. I wouldn't want to see something like that return...but there will always be people who can't be satisfied.
Also about the TS issues...
Marblethrone, even when we were in rage mode, we brought pretty fair argumentations so you can't consider that as trolling :)
Some did, yes. Others went spamming and flooding. Hate & Rage is one thing, as long as it is done within certain limits.
I WANT MORE ABILITIES FOR NECRO UNITS !!!
They are boring cause they do nothing special, even the ghost does nothing like true ghost.
I want more abilities for ALL units!
common guys, you know this is impossible, cause in this case it will incur added comissions, which they don't have, though i support your claims.
Better demanding and complaining aloud that it etches in their minds until next H8 game, so we don't have to remind them again and avoid (a possible) another failure.